what has the sudan done for us.
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I've been thinking about that. Rightly or wrongly, the 'Teddy Teacher' broke the law in Sudan. Whether we agree with the jurisprudence is irrelevant. She broke the law for which the agreed punishment is either 4yrs or 40 lashes. The fact that she was sentenced to only 15 days is where I and others take issue.
Imagine if some Sudanese national came to work in this country. He/she commits a crime that we find utterly outrageous (Whipping his/her partner/kids... Fine under Sudanese culture
yet abhorrent over here) for which there is a set tariff of punishment. It all becomes a media storm - folks demanding he/she be punished to the fullest extent... Then he/she gets let off with 15days.If the teacher had been a Sudanese national, she would either be bleeding profusely from her back or staring at 4 yrs in prison. We would also have heard nothing of it.
Because she's a Brit...
I've been thinking about that. Rightly or wrongly, the 'Teddy Teacher' broke the law in Sudan. Whether we agree with the jurisprudence is irrelevant. She broke the law for which the agreed punishment is either 4yrs or 40 lashes. The fact that she was sentenced to only 15 days is where I and others take issue.
Imagine if some Sudanese national came to work in this country. He/she commits a crime that we find utterly outrageous (Whipping his/her partner/kids... Fine under Sudanese culture
If the teacher had been a Sudanese national, she would either be bleeding profusely from her back or staring at 4 yrs in prison. We would also have heard nothing of it.
Because she's a Brit...
the way or justice system is now if a sudenese woman was found to be whipping her kids she would get a public apology from some government official as they thought she was in the wrong but probably not and they dont want to upset her people as they are terrified of them.
Sounds about right!
Said Govt department would then be sent on 3week 'Cultural awareness training' to stop them infringing on other cultures rights ...
Said Govt department would then be sent on 3week 'Cultural awareness training' to stop them infringing on other cultures rights ...
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i am not afraid to call people nutters if i believe them to be nutters
currently ,the sudanese govt allows female circumcision
and allows arabs to rape and kill blacks in darfur
why would anyone want to defend the sudanese regime?
currently ,the sudanese govt allows female circumcision
and allows arabs to rape and kill blacks in darfur
why would anyone want to defend the sudanese regime?
Below is an extract from a US state dept information site.
The Government officially exempts the 10 southern states, in which the population is mostly non-Muslim, from parts of the law, which permit physical punishments, including lashings, amputations, and stonings, based on Shari'a. In a 1999 case involving ethnic clashes in the Darfur region in the west, an emergency court sentenced 10 persons to hanging and subsequent crucifixion. There was no further information available on the case at year's end. In 1999 and 2000 in the north, the Government reportedly carried out amputations under Islamic law for the first time; there were reports that six cross amputations (right hand and left foot) were carried out during the year. The Government reportedly carried out eight amputations as punishment for violent crimes that resulted in death. All those sentenced to amputations reportedly were Muslims. There were no reports of court-ordered Islamic law punishments, other than lashings, in government-controlled areas of the south. The act legally can be applied in the south, if the state assemblies approve it. Fear of the imposition of Islamic law is one of the factors that has fueled support for the civil war among opposition forces in the south.
I wouldn't call this proof but does show what shari'a law is like.
If you go to live in or visit a country you agree to abide by its laws (doesn't matter if you agree with those laws)
In Singapore it is illegal to own/use/sell chewing gum, the fine is a hundred dollars (from memory) you can't tell the court over there that it's OK in England as they will just tell you that you are not now in England.
Try walking down a high street in Saudi drinking a can of special brew
I find it odd that a teacher who has worked in Africa for many years didn't realise the implications of naming a bear after the prophet Mohammed.
Back in the UK we bend over backwards not to upset anyone who comes from another culture. My local Harvester restaurant is selling Winter Pudding, apparently this will not offend people, WELL IT OFFENDS ME !
Christmas to be renamed Winterval. STOPPIT !
OK rant over, nurse..my tablets.
In Singapore it is illegal to own/use/sell chewing gum, the fine is a hundred dollars (from memory) you can't tell the court over there that it's OK in England as they will just tell you that you are not now in England.
Try walking down a high street in Saudi drinking a can of special brew
I find it odd that a teacher who has worked in Africa for many years didn't realise the implications of naming a bear after the prophet Mohammed.
Back in the UK we bend over backwards not to upset anyone who comes from another culture. My local Harvester restaurant is selling Winter Pudding, apparently this will not offend people, WELL IT OFFENDS ME !
Christmas to be renamed Winterval. STOPPIT !
OK rant over, nurse..my tablets.
If you go to live in or visit a country you agree to abide by its laws (doesn't matter if you agree with those laws)
In Singapore it is illegal to own/use/sell chewing gum, the fine is a hundred dollars (from memory) you can't tell the court over there that it's OK in England as they will just tell you that you are not now in England.
Try walking down a high street in Saudi drinking a can of special brew
I find it odd that a teacher who has worked in Africa for many years didn't realise the implications of naming a bear after the prophet Mohammed.
Back in the UK we bend over backwards not to upset anyone who comes from another culture. My local Harvester restaurant is selling Winter Pudding, apparently this will not offend people, WELL IT OFFENDS ME !
Christmas to be renamed Winterval. STOPPIT !
OK rant over, nurse..my tablets.
I believe the reason they banned chewing gum was; the newly built & air conditioned subway system has air conditioned trains & secondary doors between each air conditioned station & the arriving train. Apparently the secondary (station) doors kept getting jammed by chewing gum so, quiet simple really, you ban chewing gum! It also makes a terrible mess on the pavements outside!
I worked extensively in the Far East for many years & when in Rome, you find out how ‘Rome’ lives & do as the Romans! But no matter how much you gen up I think the occasional, cultural faux pas is inevitable. I’ve always been forgiven for the ones I’ve made but they were never associated with religion; it’s a dangerous area & why I always turned down work in countries I didn’t feel comfortable about! She definitely made a silly mistake but it was all a bit harsh. In my opinion, she got caught up in the current political climate & opportunities were seen to be had; the ‘rescue’ has all the undertones of a political set up more associated with putting our own ‘problems’ here in the UK in a better light!
Bilioustrumpstaine
She didn't knowingly name the teddy after the prophet Mohammed.
She just named it after one of the kids who happened to be called Mohammed.
Christian people in the west dont become so obsessive about their faith that they call all their new born boys Jesus Christ.
And if they held their great prophet in the esteem that we are led to believe , then they would not allow the name to be used in such a liberal fashion as it is through out the Muslim world.
The idiot that stormed off and reported the misdemeaour is the one who should be in jail and receiving the 40 lashes.
He/She could have explained the implications in a quiet manner.
Now (with the help of world publicity)Sudan can take one step closer back to the dark ages where they belong.
She didn't knowingly name the teddy after the prophet Mohammed.
She just named it after one of the kids who happened to be called Mohammed.
Christian people in the west dont become so obsessive about their faith that they call all their new born boys Jesus Christ.
And if they held their great prophet in the esteem that we are led to believe , then they would not allow the name to be used in such a liberal fashion as it is through out the Muslim world.
The idiot that stormed off and reported the misdemeaour is the one who should be in jail and receiving the 40 lashes.
He/She could have explained the implications in a quiet manner.
Now (with the help of world publicity)Sudan can take one step closer back to the dark ages where they belong.
Indeed she could have had a quiet word in Gillian Gibbons' ear, Balenza. That would have been the decent thing to do. She must have known that Mrs Gibbons had no intention of causing offence and it's a strange society that doesn't take that missing intention into account. Without intention, any insult is in the mind of the perceiver. It sounds very much as though this 'person' didn't like Mrs Gibbons and was just waiting for some kind of slip. She had to wait six months but sooner of later, it was bound to happen. I'm astonished at the British people who've excused the Sudanese response on the grounds that Mrs Gibbons broke the law. Laws are there to protect people from some kind of harm. Neither the accuser nor any other Muslim people was harmed by Mrs Gibbons in any real sense. They simply chose to be insulted.
I had in mind "Said Govt department would then be sent on 3week 'Cultural awareness training' to stop them infringing on other cultures rights "
Ah, right.
Bit of both, really. Our local council has apparently gone to the trouble/expense of conducting 1/2hr lectures on how not to insult/offend other faiths with this explosive, inflammatory concept of 'Christmas'. Usual guff: no decs, hats, cards... can only have 'Winter parties', eat 'Winter cake' wish folk a 'merry winter'...
Not quite the same as 3 week cultural awareness course, but I wouldn't put it past them!
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