When considering in or out:

[Gerrydelasel]

I just love your blind optimism.

Optimism breeds optimism. That's the trouble with you Remainers, you're so defeatist. So weak, so feeble, clinging to mother's apron strings as the Eurozone shrinks towards singularity.

Switzerland is a non-EU country. What can you tell me about its deal with China?

Who cares? Since we are not Switzerland it is irrelevant.

What can you tell me about the advice the President of the United States recently gave, about US trade treaties with trading blocs and with individual countries?

Woooh, the back of the queue! How ever would we cope? Better stock the nuclear bunker, for the soon-to-be ex-president has spoken!

 

[Himaginn]

I'm beginning to think that all the Brexiters, especially on this forum, are like the DIYers who come on this site and ask, "can I build a 5 metre high garage in my next-door-neighbour's garden without their consent, Planning Permission or Building Regs?"
When the experts have told them several times, "NO!" They respond with something like, "OK, if I use the PWA, can I do it then?"
Well they're still told, "NO!" They ask, what if I did it while the neighbour was on holiday, can they insist I take it down?"
When they're still told they can't do it, they come back a few months later saying, "I've built this 5 metre high garage in my neighbour's garden without PP, my neighbour is taking me to court for trespass, and the council are taking me to court for violating planning consent. What are my options?"
They then say, "well it hadn't been done before, so I thought it would be OK!"

 

[Deleted member 63160]

Ha ha ha
Do you seriously believe that EU countries such as the UK, France and Italy are currently unable to export to China or Somalia?

Are you simple? Our trade deals with China and Somalia are arranged for us. We are represented there by one twenty-eighth of a European Commissioner. If we leave, we can make our own deal. A better deal.

He doesn't want to hear this. Fux up his arguments too much.

 

[Deleted member 63160]

I'm beginning to think that all the Brexiters, especially on this forum, are like the DIYers who come on this site and ask, "can I build a 5 metre high garage in my next-door-neighbour's garden without their consent, Planning Permission or Building Regs?"
When the experts have told them several times, "NO!" They respond with something like, "OK, if I use the PWA, can I do it then?"
Well they're still told, "NO!" They ask, what if I did it while the neighbour was on holiday, can they insist I take it down?"
When they're still told they can't do it, they come back a few months later saying, "I've built this 5 metre high garage in my neighbour's garden without PP, my neighbour is taking me to court for trespass, and the council are taking me to court for violating planning consent. What are my options?"
They then say, "well it hadn't been done before, so I thought it would be OK!"

I must admit I've lost count of the times I've wanted to build a 5 metre high garage in my neighbours garden???? As I'm sure many brexiters have....fookin idiot.

 

[JohnD]

Ha ha ha
Do you seriously believe that EU countries such as the UK, France and Italy are currently unable to export to China or Somalia?

Are you simple? Our trade deals with China and Somalia are arranged for us. We are represented there by one twenty-eighth of a European Commissioner. If we leave, we can make our own deal. A better deal.

So that's a "no" then.

Yet you have a fantasy that for some reason they will suddenly decide they would rather buy UK cars and washing machines than German or Polish ones.

Why did you develop this unrealistic belief?

 

[Gerrydelasel]

Yet you have a fantasy that for some reason they will suddenly decide they would rather buy UK cars and washing machines than German or Polish ones.
Why did you develop this unrealistic belief?

People buy whatever is most competitive. Why did you develop the belief that Somalis are obsessed with Polish washing machines?

 

[JohnD]

Why did you develop the belief that they are obsessed with British ones? And have always wanted to buy them but have only held back because Britain is in the EU?

 

[Gerrydelasel]

Why did you develop the belief that they are obsessed with British ones? And have always wanted to buy them but have only held back because Britain is in the EU?

When did I say they were obsessed with British anything? Why do you think I am only talking about export rather than import? Why don't you want to sell our washing machines to the Somalis cheaper? Why are you unable to read the sentence "People buy whatever is most competitive"?

 

[JohnD]

So answer this. Why do you fantasise that rUK will suddenly discover new markets to trade with? Why has it not noticed them before? How do you imagine they will be able to take the place of, and exceed, EU markets?

You are, perhaps, imagining that there are vast untapped markets in the world, full of people who would rather buy a British-made car or washing machine than a German or Polish one; and having the money to pay for it, yet for some unaccountable reason we have never tried to sell to them. Where are these countries? Uzbekistan? Afghanistan? Somalia?

Do you think we are not already trying to sell to China and Brazil?

Do you not believe that the President of the United States is better informed about its international interests than our mop-headed buffoon is?

 

[Gerrydelasel]

So answer this. Why do you fantasise that rUK will suddenly discover new markets to trade with? Why has it not noticed them before? How do you imagine they will be able to take the place of, and exceed, EU markets?

You're the only one with bizarre ideas about new markets. All I mentioned were new trade agreements.

 

[JohnD]

Do you think we are not already trying to sell to China and Brazil?

Do you not believe that the President of the United States is better informed about its international interests than our mop-headed buffoon is?

China wants to export. Do you think that a single nation can offer it a more attractive bilateral deal than the EU can?

 

[Gerrydelasel]

Do you think we are not already trying to sell to China and Brazil?

Yes we're trying, but unlike Iceland and Switzerland who signed free trade deals with China recently, we're stuck with a one-size-fits-all deal made through one man epresenting 28 self-interested countries.

Do you not believe that the President of the United States is better informed about its international interests than our mop-headed buffoon is?

Why pick on just one country I mentioned? What have the state heads of China, India, Canada, Australia, Brazil etc said about it?

 

[JohnD]

Switzerland is a non-EU country. What can you tell me about its deal with China?

Who cares? Since we are not Switzerland it is irrelevant.

Now that you've changed your mind, let's see your answer.

 

[Gerrydelasel]

Switzerland is a non-EU country. What can you tell me about its deal with China?

Who cares? Since we are not Switzerland it is irrelevant.

Now that you've changed your mind, let's see your answer.

You tell me, you seem to know all about it?

 

[JohnD]

Do you not believe that the President of the United States is better informed about its international interests than our mop-headed buffoon is?

What have the state heads of China, India, Canada, Australia, Brazil etc said about it?

Glad to see you don't deny that Obama talks more sense than Boris.

"It is striking to British voters that President Obama, a man who is famously reluctant to travel, feels so strongly about the vote that he is travelling to Britain to warn America’s closest ally not to consign itself to the fringes. The Commonwealth is lining up behind the same message: India’s Prime Minister Narendra Modi, the Canadian primier Justin Trudeau, and Australian Prime Minister Tony Abbott have all spoke out against a Brexit. New Zealand’s Prime minister even argues that if Europe was its doorstep, New Zealand “would be looking to join, we certainly wouldn’t be looking to leave it.“. Meanwhile, the Commonwealth’s Ronald Sanders argues that “Increased trade with Commonwealth countries is perfectly possible for Britain. It does not have to shed itself of Europe for that to happen."

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