WHO’ s allowed in!
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I was merely counteracting JohD's argument that because the UK has battery farming nothing need be done about China's wet markets.
An argument I have not made.
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they cannot be trusted ( china) trump has em sussed out
the investigators will be fed false info , barred from certain places , not allowed to ask questions of any one un-less some chinese state minder
is present
They started this entire pandemic caper , probably deliberately
I see transam is back with his usual modus operandi, stirring up hatred and division.just saying
but tbh it would not surprise me if cannabilism is going on out there
concentration camps
went on in auswitz
It's his motivation in posting on social media.
His comments make Trump's comments pale into insignificance.
He does make some valid points though. He says what a lot of people are thinking.
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All of his comments are based on speculation.
He just likes stirring up hatred and division based on that speculation.
I dare say you'd be hard pressed to find a post of his that does not follow that MO.
What the UK is doing in this area is probably being discussed else where in the world. There are 3 approved vaccines here now and the way they will be used is likely to be balanced to ease of getting them into as many people as possible. The -60C one is tricky for that, The -20C one a bit better but very easy with the one that just needs a fridge. That was the aim from day one with the Oxford vaccine. Cheap too and easy to get out to use apart from packaging and quality checks but that applies to all.
In some respects relative effectivenesses doesn't matter providing it significantly reduces deaths from infections and keep people out of hospital. Any reduction really. Then comes the change in the time between doses which it seems the makers are not happy about, Why - the trials gathered data over an extender period of time. Info will be more scant over the first weeks of receiving the first dose. The longer they follow up the results the more chance people have of becoming infected. So we are following a calculated route aimed at getting one dose in as many people as quickly as possible. All of the people in the trials appear to have received both doses or maybe they didn't. Some with one for some reason received a 1/2 dose.
We may have another problem as well. By the time the entire population has been vaccinated it may be past the time when those getting it first need another as their immunity levels have dropped too far. While this is all going on covid will still be around and spreading. The actual effects of that are largely unknown. They do now know that infected people have lost "immunity" around 5months after being infected and that they can still carry the virus and infect others anyway. There will be a lot more info available over time after many millions have been vaccinated. How do they find out. Maybe watch to see if hospital entries start building up again. Currently It seems it will take a couple of months to get the boosters out to those that need it. Maybe they will monitor antibodies in some people who receive the vaccine but capacity to do that seems to be limited. Thousands not millions.
What are other countries doing - I don't know. Web. These seem to fit in with comments from our own news.
https://ourworldindata.org/covid-vaccinations
https://www.raps.org/news-and-articles/news-articles/2020/3/covid-19-vaccine-tracker
Immunity is lasting up to 8 months so far, and may last longer....https://www.healthline.com/health-news/how-long-does-immunity-last-after-covid-19-what-we-know
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You think the UK's PM, and the US's POTUS is a model of respectability and openness?
"let him who is without sin cast the first stone", and all that.
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Other sources suggest five months:
But a recent study led by Public Health England (PHE) shows most people who have had the virus are protected from catching it again for at least five months (the duration of the analysis so far).
https://www.bbc.com/news/health-52446965
https://www.bbc.com/news/health-52446965
According to Lauren Rodda, PhD, a senior postdoctoral fellow in immunology at the University of Washington School of Medicine, we don’t know for certain if people are immune to reinfection simply because not enough studies have been done yet.
“This would require tracking the re-exposure of a significant number of people and determining if they get sick,” she said.
Our knowledge in this area continues to grow, however, as new studies are conducted.
Most recently, a study published in the journal Science has found that immunity can last for as long as 8 months.
Which is why our lot are saying about 5 months, Truth is that it's not an easy thing to look into. Porton Down have been doing it as there is currently no easy to use test for antibodies,
Those that live in glass houses shouldn't throw stones,
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