Why does one need a smart meter to turn down central heating?

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I see the advert shorter showers, lower central heating etc, but what has that got to do with fitting a smart meter, I can see no way turning my oil fired central heating down a degree is going to have anything to do with smart meters.

I simply can't understand how the adverts are permitted which show things they can't do, like turn lights on/off by claping hands.
 
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is that the same ad that shows a cfl bulb being put into a pendant?? to save energy...
 
If you think smart meter adverts are questionable, how about the attached from facebook market place
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I see the advert shorter showers, lower central heating etc, but what has that got to do with fitting a smart meter, I can see no way turning my oil fired central heating down a degree is going to have anything to do with smart meters.
I understand that some people don't have the sense to realise that shorter showers or lowered thermostat settings (etc.) will reduce energy consumption unless it is 'demonstrated' to them by a 'smart' meter (if they ever look at it).

However, I would suggest that such a 'lack of sense' would probably be more effectively (and cheaply) addressed by a well-designed education campaign than by any number of 'smart' meters!

Kind Regards, John
 
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There was a letter in the DT the other day by a guy advocating how effective his heat pump was.

In the past he'd been running his gas boiler 3 hours in the morning and 3 hours in the evening with the room thermostat set at 20 degrees.

With his new heat pump he runs the circulating water at a much lower temperature and the room stat also at a much lower temperature. He now has the heat pump running 24 hours and claims his house is nice and warm.

Seems to me he's compairing apples and pears.
 
we need good proper well resourced well researched information passed on in an individual small group style way where there is someone with a brain rather than a pointless to arrogant person giving generalities where the average person struggling not only knows far better but are several steps off scavenging /cutting back or robbing peter to pay paul to a level the average condescending person doesn't think exists
borris johnston suggested a £10 kettle would pay for its self and save money well it could actually cost you more money to run and iff not the pay back could be zero to several years its all the ill imformed thinking there position suggests they know best and others are less able or even "THICK" when in actual fact they are the wrong ones
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You are correct, I use cup boiler kettles, but not to save money, but to make my coffee quicker, it is clear turning heating down, or showering for less time, will save money, it does not need a smart meter to tell them.

I was given a meter by Scottish Power which showed total power used, I watched it for a few weeks, but I very soon lost interest, it was simply impossible to work out what was using power with everything lumped together, and even using plug in monitors, most stuff it was just as easy to read the label. Some odd things like Sky+ box did use more than I expected, but when I tried to work out which washing cycle to use with washing machine and dish washer, there were too many variables to work anything out.

Using a shorter cycle seems good, until the point where some thing is not clean and needs washing a second time, when it costs more with a second batch of soap etc.

Central heating in this house is either on or off, but in mothers old house the boiler could modulate (turn down) and as long as the boiler was allowed to modulate as it was designed to do, it would use less gas, but the controls fitted defeated the boilers built in controls by turning the whole boiler off/on, and each time the wall thermostat did that the boiler reverted to maximum output and stopped gaining the latent heat.

This is a big problem as the boiler is heating the house OK, but not in an economic way, and it is very hard working out what is going on without some sort of meter, we want something like a clamp on ammeter with works with gas, however it seems the smart gas meter only refreshes every ½ hour which is rather useless.

There are some devices which can save energy, a good example is the induction hob, and the heat pump, but electric costs more than gas or oil, so they need to use just a third of the power of a gas device before they save money, having timed the boiling of a kettle full of water on gas and with electric likely the induction hob does save money, but not the heat pump, although fitting all fan assisted radiators and having a heat pump which works in both directions could be a good idea with globule warming, so we can cool the home in summer as well as heat in winter, but most the heat pumps being fitted are not reversible, and fan assisted radiators are not being fitted, so rather a waste of money.

But in my own house my main living room does get too hot in summer, but the easiest and cheapest method is simply not using the main living room on hot summer days, and use the smaller rooms which don't catch the summer sun.

The same in winter, being able to select which rooms are heated, clearly saves energy, but this means keeping internal doors closed, and having some insulation between rooms, and having radiators big enough to be able to use the output of the boiler. The theory is good, only heat rooms as required, and when the home has been unoccupied for a time, like every one out at work, reheating room at a time so heated in the order they are used, but in practice the radiators are not big enough, does not matter if I heat just living room, or whole house, still takes 2 hours to heat living room as radiators not big enough.

Last house had a 4.5 kW gas fire, a 3.5 kW Myson fan assisted radiator and a 4 kW conventional radiator in the living room, and there was no need for geofencing as could heat room from cold in ¼ to ½ an hour, but this house, takes more like 2 hours to heat from cold, so OK last week when on holiday in Blackpool I could turn on heating 2 hours before I got home to mid Wales, but I don't really go on enough holidays to be worth having telemetry on the central heating, and as far as geofencing goes, I am nearly home before it auto switches on, so rather useless.

What has really made my house warmer is getting rid of the engineered wood floors and fitting thick carpets, plus swapping a patio door where the double glazed units had blown. And this has likely reduced the amount of oil used.

I have only just swapped my vented tumble dryer for a heat pump type, not been using it long enough to say if any saving, but I suspect it is saving energy, as runs for about same amount of time as the 1 kW vented model, and the heat pump seems to cycle on/off, so unlike the vented it's no running all the time, plus now window closed in the utility room, so kitchen now warmer, as wife would not always close door.

Likely washing cloths is the main area where savings can be made, but my wife will not let me wear same cloths for a week even if it does save money.
 
You are correct, I use cup boiler kettles, but not to save money, but to make my coffee quicker, it is clear turning heating down, or showering for less time, will save money, it does not need a smart meter to tell them.
As I said it would seem that, to some people, it is not "clear [to them that] turning heating down, or showering for less time, will save money" unless that is 'demonstrated' to them by a 'smart' meter.

However, as I also said, the way to address that issue is by decent education, not 'smart' meters!

Kind Regards, John
 
I've had 3 people caught on that propaganda demonstrate to me how true it is. Each has shown me their slave meter and how the new kettle uses less than a quarter of the old. Of course they have all noticed how much longer it takes to boil but none have any awareness of the non linear scale of their meter.

Using a plug in meter similar to this sort of thing
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I demonstrated to one the energy used for one exact mug full of water to boil in each kettle. I was a little surprised the low power kettle used a lot more energy than the high power version, something like 10-15% but it also seemed to be bubbling for a while before it clicked off.
 
One of the latest adverts for smart meters I heard on the radio said it would help Britain be self sufficient and buy less gas from abroad.

Totally don't get how that would work and will resist getting a S.M indefinitely.
 
The smart meter I had installed the end of last year has saved energy for me. I have an electrically heated conservatory (soon to be reroofed) and discovered that the panel heaters were turning on all night long during this winters cold nights despite their programmers being in an off period. The smart meter, via the IHD, recorded this activity.
 
Totally don't get how that would work and will resist getting a S.M indefinitely.
Knowing precisely when people use energy makes it more efficient to generate electricity. I don't think the excess is stored, and hence wasted. Even stored, a significant amount of it goes into the workload needed to do the storing.

The main problem in leaving personal data in the hands of private companies is that it results in security issues. For example, knowing when you are home and when you are not is useful to some people.
 

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