Big_Spark said:
ban-all-sheds said:
keyplayer said:
Big_Spark said:
DIY and electricity..the two simply do not mix.
Yes they do, approached sensibly there is no more danger than other areas of DIY such as using a ladder or changing your own brake pads etc.
Keyplayer you are wasting your time. Big_Spark is not interested in reason, logic and facts on this issue.
His position is partly influenced by financial self-interest, and partly by the huge chip he has on his shoulder about the lowly (as he sees it) status of electricians.
Note that the only example of a serious problem he's ever encountered is 20 years old.
In that time, I wonder how many fatal car crash scenes he has driven past? In that time, approximately 70,000 people will have died on the roads.
I rest my case.....regarding stating with insults....
What's an insult? That you're not interested in reason etc? You've often stated your opposition to DIY electrical work, and you have said how you planned, or once planned, to campaign to make it illegal.
When challenged you have never once produced any evidence that DIY electrical work is such a problem that it needs to be banned.
You have had the evidence from Australia pointed out to you, and you have not modified your stance.
What's an insult? To say that you have a financial self-interest?
Big_Spark said:
OK..let me make MY position VERY clear on this point, and it is a position you will find common amongst the majority of Electricians and Electrical Engineers in the UK.
I do not feel it appropriate for the unqualified to be allowed to do any form of electrical work, in the home or workplace. Primarilly this is solely for safety reasons, however I would be a liar if I denide that I would not benefit if this was the case..a ban occured that is.
What's an insult? To say that you don't like what you see as the lowly status of electricians?
On the IEE site you said:
To be honest I do not care what a minority of the general public think about the idea of banning Electrical DIY work. I would be happy to allow DIY'ers change damaged accessories, such as switches and socket faceplates, but the idea of anything beyond this I wholly disagree with. I accept that others will not agree with this view..thankfully we live is a country that allows free speech!
HOWEVER, I would not agree with this ban being put in place until we have our own house in order, all the incompetent, dishonest and indifferent removed from our ranks so that the industry can regain the professional respect we once enjoyed, but I agree has been lost over the last 20 years or so, at least in the public's eyes anyway.
ban-all-sheds said:
No - sadly it's another example of Big_Spark coming on here and spouting complete b*llsh*t, trying to back it up with a number of big "I am" statements, and then melting away when pressed to prove it.
A situation which I'm sure is all too familiar.
And here is the lies.....
What's a lie? That you wrote bs? Well - it's a fairly common term, and reasonable to use, I think, in circumstances where as you yourself say:
I posted a message which certainly gave that impression and the statement is totally incorrect
I have accpeted that a post I made earlier was so badly worded that it CAUSED the confusion
i made a s**** post that was incorrect
What's a lie? That you made a number of big "I am" statements?
It's not a lie - the worst you can say is that it was an exaggeration. You did say this:
If you really want a technical discussion on electricity I could lose you in one post
And these were not made in the context of the sub-topic of neutral shocks, but were in this thread:
I qualified as an Electrician in 1986, I then continued my professional education to gain the C certificate, I then continued to successfully complete a HNC in Electrical Engineering.
I have worked on Oil platforms, Ships, Mariners, MoD sites, including Aldermaston and Northumberland Ave. I have worked as a Consultant Project Engineer, been a Company Director of a successful contractor...bla bla bla...
I have been approached by a very large International Engineering Company with a view to working on a Chemical Plant construction project in India...
I have 236 Part 1, 2 and C, HNC Elec Eng, 232 Supp Electronics, 2380 (16th Ed update[Old course])....
What's a lie? That you melted away?
I will not bring others into this discussion, but BAS, I would appear to still be here, not melting away....as you claim..knowing it to be untrue, therefore a lie.
At the time I wrote that you had. OK - it was a premature judgement - I couldn't be sure that you wouldn't return, as you've failed to return to other topics in the past when the arguments persist, but it wasn't something I said knowing it to be untrue.
Oh regarding ATT..I was away fro a few days following our "discussion" on there, when I returned you had left and I was told by someone else that it was due to our "discussion". If this was not the case then I was led up the garden path...or they simply had their facts wrong in other words...
No that was definitely not the case. I remember replying to one or two posts of yours, rebutting them, challenging them, and on at least one aspect (accident statistics in Australia & N.Z.) producing proof that I'd been right and you hadn't looked properly.
And something went t*ts-up on the server, and they all got lost. I began to wonder if I'd imagined posting them, but someone else said they'd seen and read them.
But my leaving was, as I said, because of a fundamental disagreement with the owner.
