YALE alarm expert . . ask me any questions

[mattylad]

I'll echo what Bernard said....

I know nowt about Yale alarms, I just hope they are not as bad as the Melcom or Lyntek ones.

The scotch tape, is that the red glazing tape type or double sided sticky pad?

The glazing tape sticks like poo if the surface is cleaned but I too would never use it for contacts, 'd always screw as suggested.

fastalarms, thank you for coming onto the site & offering to help those that have problems with Yale alarms.

Stick around, I'm sure that there will be questions popping up & don't let those that dont like yale stuff get to you, you cant be blamed because of the design unless it was you designed it.

 

[ahdsh]

Thanks for recognising that to some people a DIY alarm is neccessary. Your support is appreciated.
Demographically the most burglaries happen in the poorer areas. Also many people when moving into a new home especially first time buyers cannot afford the cost of a NACOSS or SSIA system.
There is a niche the YALE systems provide for.


There are many electricians who post on these forums who do not have NACOSS approval , does that mean they should also be roundly condemmed for fitting alarms?
As for reliability?
Take a look at this actual forum and how many threads are because people are having trouble with 'professionally' installed hardwired alarms.
Wouldn't that give me justification to claim that hardwired professional installs were rubbish too?

YALE systems when installed properly do just what they are designed to do. A company with the name YALE would never have released anything that would ruin its long established good name in security.

Going back to the batteries in the pir sensors,
They are designed to be held in place with a foam pad when closed. however when fitting you have to turn the sensor face upside down where gravity and the springs try to push the batteries out. All that is required is to hold the batteries in place with your fingers until the unit is almost vertical then check for a good contact by pressing the learn button.
Its a simple solution to a potentially major problem which is why I spent the time to warn people.

 

[drgl]

Had mine for a year, had one false alarm and that was last week as the windows were open. Better than no alarm at all IMO. Oh, i used the stsicky pads, none are remotely loose. Howver we move in the nest few months(new house i have specified a "proper" wired system).

 

[bernardgreen]

A company with the name YALE would never have released anything that would ruin its long established good name in security.

Being pedantic. burglar alarms in private houses are not really security systems. They provide a warning that the physical security barriers ( locks and bolts, windows doors and walls etc) have been breached and intruders are or have been inside the monitored areas or buildings.

Any burglar alarm is only effective at preventing loss by theft if the response to the alarm is rapid enough to prevent the intruders escaping with the items they are stealing. A 32 inch TV can be gone in 32 seconds even with the alarm sounding.

Yale are very good at creating secure areas with high quality locks, bolts and other systems to prevent ( or make extremely difficult ) the entry of intruders into a property.

 

[ahdsh]

Had mine for a year, had one false alarm and that was last week as the windows were open. Better than no alarm at all IMO. Oh, i used the stsicky pads, none are remotely loose. Howver we move in the nest few months(new house i have specified a "proper" wired system).

The problem with the sticky pads are that they absorb moisture. On a wooden door thats stained rather than gloss painted or a room with moisture or humidity like a kitchen they can simply fall off.
You mentioned a false alarm caused you think by leaving a window open?
Was that due to an insect or was it due to a possible air convection current in the warm weather? It is also worth noting not to point sensors towards windows if possible and definately not in the range of direct sunlight.
Glad your system was useful to you and demonstrated its worth.

 

[drgl]

Pretty sure it was a breeze? PIR was the sensor that reported. The contacts are stuck onto PVC windows so seem OK for me. The sensore do not point at windows but away from them.

 

[ahdsh]

Alarms are primarily to :

1. Hopefully provide a visual deterrent to encourage a burglar to try elsewhere.
2. Minimize the time the burglar spends in the property by alerting others to their presence
3. Notify others by either diallers or monitoring stations.

As you say physical security is the first line of defence.
The biggest problem is educating people to develop a security mindset.
I also provide insurance approved safes that passed the police approved tests but getting people to consider having one is yet again something people don't consider until they have been burgled first.

 

[ahdsh]

Pretty sure it was a breeze? PIR was the sensor that reported. The contacts are stuck onto PVC windows so seem OK for me. The sensore do not point at windows but away from them.

You have the 6300 or 6400 system then with the panel and log.
Your contacts may be fine as they do stick very well to pvc windows and doors. I just much prefer the peace of mind involved with making sure they won't come off.
PIR sensors do pick up air movements.
If I remember correctly the sensors differentiate between objects with a plus 8 degrees centrigrade temperature change. moving air currents can display this difference.

 

[bernardgreen]

Alarms are primarily to
1. Hopefully provide a visual deterent to encourage a burglar to try elsewhere.

Being cynical

Visual indication

[1] that the house owner thinks they have something worth stealing.

[2] that the burglar needs to work fast and not stop for a tea break in the house.

Silent alarms with no visible detectors or other indications of there being an alarm can, when coupled with covert CCTV and other means of identifying the intruders, be very effective at preventing loss of items removed.

 

[drgl]

I think what people do not realise is the cheek of these people. Our neighbour had his car, motorbike, laptop & money stolen, they smashed the front window and opened the back door. The shed was forced. This happened at 10.30PM in the summer, there were people two doors away having a BBQ party! If we had been in we would have heard the front window go, did they even bother to check? I doubt it.

 

[ahdsh]

Every home has something worth stealing these days. ipods , laptops, flatscreens,mountain bikes etc. All easily sold on consumer goods.
CCTV can be another deterent to prevent theft but you can only identify intruders if someone recognises them from the film.

I help two families a week who have no burglar alarm and wish they had fitted one before they were burgled.
Some people need an alarm to feel safe at night.

 

[ahdsh]

I think what people do not realise is the cheek of these people. Our neighbour had his car, motorbike, laptop & money stolen, they smashed the front window and opened the back door. The shed was forced. This happened at 10.30PM in the summer, there were people two doors away having a BBQ party! If we had been in we would have heard the front window go, did they even bother to check? I doubt it.

We are into a whole new debate here about the effectivness of the police and wether the man in the street dares to get involved anymore. Ironically the BBQ provided the noise and distraction needed for the burglars to commit their crime.
As far as car theft goes homes need to be broken into to get the car keys. Thats why I reccommend home safes.

Sorry forgot to ask was his home alarmed?

 

[drgl]

No, but the whole street is now! I think i'll get a sfae when we move, are there any worth having for the home environment? (car keys & log books really). At the momnet i take mine(all sets!) with me when we are away!(how sad).

 

[ahdsh]

No, but the whole street is now! I think i'll get a sfae when we move, are there any worth having for the home environment? (car keys & log books really). At the momnet i take mine(all sets!) with me when we are away!(how sad).

I install the new range of YALE home safes.
They are £2000 cash rated and £20,000 valuables .
In a police test they failed to get into the safes using typical tools.
The reason I install them is so the insurance company receieves an installation certificate confirming it was fitted using the supplied expander bolts and was fitted to brick or concrete.
You can get them to fit yourself but make sure you get the certified £2000 cash rated one. The rest are just strong boxes rather than safes.

 

[drgl]

Thnaks for the info