Yale or Respones wireless alarm??

[yaleguy3]

Yale is far better than that,at least it can have more users and is a bit more adaptable.

You can quote me on that too.

Indeed I will

You are for once correct about the Yale or at least the 6300 family or 6400 premium systems.

6 programmable user codes and a 100 event user log.
The user log keeps a track of the following events.

System arm and disarm with time/date log including which user set or unset the alarm

alarm activations including time/date and device which activated the system

systems reached ie did someone pick up the phone that the panel phoned out to andwho responed and at what time/date

There is also a fault log which keeps track of
device battery low indications
tamper switch activations
devices out of range or out of order
loss of mains supply

 

[yaleguy3]

yaleguy,
just a question for you, because i am a little stumped on this one.

you say that the control panel may not need a fixed electrical supply and can run for years without mains power.

can you clarify this, just curious.

Oasis

PM me if you want or post here.

In answer to yourself and Bernard.
It depends on the system.

If you fit a yale 6200 system then it is a totally battery operated system.
It does not have a control panel only a remote keypad or fob. Instead the alarm is operated from the circuit board within the siren.
The siren is acting as the master circuit.
In this mode if you set the alarm with a keypad then you have a 20 second delay on sensors to exit or enter the property. If you set via a keyfob then then all sensors immediately activate the system.
Not needing mains power makes this alarm ideal for empty properties. You don't need an internal repeater as there is noone inside the property and the external siren sounding and flashing will do the job it is required to do.

The 6300 and 6400 systems DO NEED mains power if mains power is lost then there is 10hrs backup in the form of a rechargeble battery in the control panel.

If your empty property was without power for say 15 hrs or more then in actual fact the basic yale alarm would be the only alarm that would actually work even outperforming professional grade 2 systems which would potentially have given up at 12hrs.
It even allows you to be confident in disabling power or having it turned off.
providing you change batteries every two years of course allthough on an empty property they would last even longer than that because the sensors would not be in use.

 

[Europlex]

I don't actually condone anyone not placing their yale boxes in the proper place second floor near the eaves and with as much as possible an aesthetic symetrical and prominent location.

10mtrs, ish, wow, how many DIYers have the suitable equipment and knowledge to do this safely?

I can just see the papers,

"DIYer breaks back falling from ladder fitting DIY alarm"
" A DIYer breaks his back falling 30ft from a non secured ladder while fitting an alarm"

What about a problem at 02:00, sounding, for 40mins and won't turn off?

Sunday morning 02:00
"Sorry neighbours, my ladder was not long enough to fit it in the proper(?) position, I had to hire a ladder. I'll get it sorted when the hire shop opens on Monday morning."

(Hoping it stops soon.)

 

[yaleguy3]

I don't actually condone anyone not placing their yale boxes in the proper place second floor near the eaves and with as much as possible an aesthetic symetrical and prominent location.

10mtrs, ish, wow, how many DIYers have the suitable equipment and knowledge to do this safely?

I can just see the papers,

"DIYer breaks back falling from ladder fitting DIY alarm"
" A DIYer breaks his back falling 30ft from a non secured ladder while fitting an alarm"

What about a problem at 02:00, sounding, for 40mins and won't turn off?

Sunday morning 02:00
"Sorry neighbours, my ladder was not long enough to fit it in the proper(?) position, I had to hire a ladder. I'll get it sorted when the hire shop opens on Monday morning."

(Hoping it stops soon.)

Hmm , In this very thread we have had someone stating how they installed their siren where they could reach it from their bedroom window , surely thats not outside the abilities of the average diyer.

But you are right fitting a DIY alarm system is much more than simply throwing some bits around the house.
Its about surveying the property to find where the threats are coming from
Its about making sure the sensors are where they will work efficiently and without disturbance
Its about keeping the siren away from prying fingers
Its about designing the system so its also practical to use and fits in with the familes domestic routines
Its about knowing what the systems are actually capable of and how you can use that to your advantage.
Fitting a DIY alarm other than its graded status requires ALL the same considerations that are needed for a graded system.

This comment you made actually proves that I am actually correct in what I do and that even DIY systems need 'professional' guidance or even installation to be effective.

In answer to some of your spurious made up scenarios above even DIY alarms have to follow regs and will stop after 15 mins so we are just ignorantly hyping things up again aren't we?

 

[alumni]

However I cannot help noticing that the poster is from hampshire and you are too and now you offer a chat or pm whilst suggesting a there are better systems out there.

A touch of paranoia me thinks.

This could demonstrates that all the invasion of the yale threads by professionals is nothing to do with any particular knowledge or experience of the DIY systems but simply you see people buying yale systems as lost work for yourselves and a commercial threat.

Could?
Don't flatter yourself.
Two totally different types of customer involved.

My only input on these forums is to give advice about yale alarms and to fight against the tide of negativity and ignorance spouted by the many (un)professional posters on this site.

I could of course start invading non yale threads where people are having problems with pro installed equipment and tell them that they could have a yale instead or that it would be cheaper etc.
But I don't as I would feel that people would be perfectly entitled to criticise me for such crass behaviour.

Did you actually manage to keep a straight face and not blush when typing that?
Just to refresh your memory.
'Pro' installer, Grade2 and 3 systems installed incorrectly. AND failure to divvy up any sort of pertinent information. Sound familiar?

I don't actually condone anyone not placing their yale boxes in the proper place second floor near the eaves and with as much as possible an aesthetic symetrical and prominent location.

The 'proper place' is documented where?

 

[alumni]

In answer to some of your spurious made up scenarios above even DIY alarms have to follow regs and will stop after 15 mins so we are just ignorantly hyping things up again aren't we?

Regs?

Which ones are these then?

I'm interested because many of the countries major construction companies are clearly unaware of them - as is the HSE

 

[yaleguy3]

Thanks for your reply Alumni but I'm sorry but I have decided to single you out as someone who's responses I won't even reply to

 

[alumni]

LOL

 

[Europlex]

Hmm , In this very thread we have had someone stating how they installed their siren where they could reach it from their bedroom window , surely thats not outside the abilities of the average diyer.

But you are right fitting a DIY alarm system is much more than simply throwing some bits around the house.
Its about surveying the property to find where the threats are coming from
Its about making sure the sensors are where they will work efficiently and without disturbance
Its about keeping the siren away from prying fingers
Its about designing the system so its also practical to use and fits in with the familes domestic routines
Its about knowing what the systems are actually capable of and how you can use that to your advantage.
Fitting a DIY alarm other than its graded status requires ALL the same considerations that are needed for a graded system.

This comment you made actually proves that I am actually correct in what I do and that even DIY systems need 'professional' guidance or even installation to be effective.

In answer to some of your spurious made up scenarios above even DIY alarms have to follow regs and will stop after 15 mins so we are just ignorantly hyping things up again aren't we?

Would you please be so kind to let me know who, apart from your, you know who, makes this perfect piece of equipment that NEVER goes wrong and ALWAYS works 100%, 100% of the time.

You need to get into the real world.

 

[yaleguy3]

Alright in the REAL world since we ar inventing scenarios.

Mr bloggs has an alarm fitted and its a pro system grade 2 and after 2 yrs he decides not to bother with the alarm contract because he doen't want to spend £70 having it serviced.

Recognise this typical scenario , I am sure you do

So the alarm goes of at erm let me see Sunday 2,00am

So he rings the alarm company who fitted it and who realise he didn't renew his service contract.

Do they (would you )

A rush round straight away to fix it

B Tell him you can come out but not till monday and only if he signs a service contract

C Tell him you can come out but it will cost £130 plus parts

D tell him to try someone else

 

[JohnD]

However I cannot help noticing that the poster is from hampshire and you are too .

So am I!

So what?

 

[Europlex]

Alright in the REAL world since we ar inventing scenarios.

Mr bloggs has an alarm fitted and its a pro system grade 2 and after 2 yrs he decides not to bother with the alarm contract because he doen't want to spend £70 having it serviced.

Recognise this typical scenario , I am sure you do

So the alarm goes of at erm let me see Sunday 2,00am

So he rings the alarm company who fitted it and who realise he didn't renew his service contract.

Do they (would you )

A rush round straight away to fix it

B Tell him you can come out but not till monday and only if he signs a service contract

C Tell him you can come out but it will cost £130 plus parts

D tell him to try someone else

I just love the way you always try to pass the buck towards the Pros. when you can't / won't answer any constructive criticism.

 

[yaleguy3]

However I cannot help noticing that the poster is from hampshire and you are too .

So am I!

So what?

I spent three years in Hampshire.
used to be a cartographer in the Army based near Andover.

Great times.
Thruxton for the car racing
Lots of lovely village pubs , Winchester for shopping and socialising
Andover for Bumpkins and meeting girls
Weekends in Bournemouth
Shopping/cinema/clubbing in Southampton

 

[alumni]

Hypocrite alert

www .fast alarms.co .uk/fast alarms%20service%20covering%20letter2.PDF

 

[oasistechnical]

Yaleguy
thank you for your reply.

i am not going to get involved any further with baiting persons here.

i am a pro installer and we carry out mostly large business, licence trade, leisure and entertainment venues, also we do do a bit of domestic work, but not that much.

sorry but we are not allowed to fit equipment that does not conform to EN50131 or BS regulations on any of our sites.

so DIY equipment will not be fitted by us, sorry but it might do the job, but not on our sites!!
also we couldn't have one of our decals on any external alarm box other than our own.!!

Oasis