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It really wasn't that difficult a question was it?
Stop trying to answer a question with another question...
So, lets try that again shall we...
Show me one country that has benefitted from Isolationism in the long term...
You can't answer the question can you. We need migrants like I need leprosy of the pen*s.
NOW ANSWER MY QUESTION. (He won't).
I asked you to explain, in an example, how harmonisation of law is needed for free trade.
It's no good linking to wiki, which simply repeats "if different countries have different laws, it will give one a competitive edge".
I want you to explain HOW that will give one a competitive edge.
How for example does having different X standards in different countries, stop each country producing X to the standard to it's export location.
I deal with product standards in my industry, and I have seen how they have made absolutely no difference between inter EU trade (other than cost and confusion), but they have made it exceptionally much easier for countries outside the EU to sell within the EU, which is great if your objective is importing not exporting.
You're the one waffling on about negotiating power, yet you can't seem to make the connection, and insist we will lose trade with the EU?
Are you trying to make an argument that EU countries choose to buy our more expensive items over non EU countries, because we are in the EU, or that somehow our products are magially cheaper to produce as a member, something I see no quantifiable logic for.
What a load of nonsense.
Temper Temper...It really wasn't that difficult a question was it?
Stop trying to answer a question with another question...
So, lets try that again shall we...
Show me one country that has benefitted from Isolationism in the long term...
You can't answer the question can you. We need migrants like I need leprosy of the pen*s.
NOW ANSWER MY QUESTION. (He won't).
But since you can't 'put up' it's time for you to 'shut up'...
(leprosy of the pen*s wouldof course be especially embarrassing for you - since you are merely a sad old d*ckhead!)
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Problem is aron that you are the one that seems to be ignorant and throwing out insults in a perfectly adult and sensible discussion. Such actions only undermine your argument.
If you want an example of law harmonisation that facilitates free trade, then here you go : British Beef.
You may recall the BSE crisis that meant that many countries banned the import of British beef on 'safety grounds'mand that ban stayed in place in many places long after British beef was deemed safe again (and still is in place in the US and Oz).
This put our British farmers at a disadvantage because they were not able to export their products because of bans that were originally put in place on safety grounds, but then left in place to assist the domestic beef farmers (as they didn't have to compete with British farmers selling beef).
One such country that left a ban on British beef was our friends in France. However because under EU law British beef was deemed safe for human consumption - the French were forced to cancel their ban on British beef by the European courts. Thus enabling free trade of beef.
If you do not have harmonisation of laws within the free trade area, then one country can seek to act in a protectionist manner as the French did above, or the opposite end of the spectrum but loosening laws to encourage companies to operate from their country. This could be by removing workers rights to sick pay, holidays, maternity leave making labour costs lower in one country than another or having little or no health and safety legislation or environmental protection laws which means that costs of production could be lower.
The attempts to harmonise laws aim to stop such practices from happening.
I hope that helps you to understand.
If you want an example of law harmonisation that facilitates free trade, then here you go : British Beef.
You may recall the BSE crisis that meant that many countries banned the import of British beef on 'safety grounds'mand that ban stayed in place in many places long after British beef was deemed safe again (and still is in place in the US and Oz).
This put our British farmers at a disadvantage because they were not able to export their products because of bans that were originally put in place on safety grounds, but then left in place to assist the domestic beef farmers (as they didn't have to compete with British farmers selling beef).
One such country that left a ban on British beef was our friends in France. However because under EU law British beef was deemed safe for human consumption - the French were forced to cancel their ban on British beef by the European courts. Thus enabling free trade of beef.
If you do not have harmonisation of laws within the free trade area, then one country can seek to act in a protectionist manner as the French did above, or the opposite end of the spectrum but loosening laws to encourage companies to operate from their country. This could be by removing workers rights to sick pay, holidays, maternity leave making labour costs lower in one country than another or having little or no health and safety legislation or environmental protection laws which means that costs of production could be lower.
The attempts to harmonise laws aim to stop such practices from happening.
I hope that helps you to understand.
You conveniently forget that France regularly blocked the import of any British meat products, whenever they wanted (probably because it didn't run at Royal Ascot, Lingfield or Sandown)
No, the point that I'm trying to make is that without 'free' trade with EU states, these states are able to impose custom duties (charges on the importation of UK goods), impose tariffs (restrictions on the volumes of UK goods) or even outright laws to restrict trade with the UK (see the British beef example above).
These all potentially could make UK imports more expensive and thus less competitive and thus in less demand which will ave a negative effect on our economy.
You could argue that we could do the same to EU imports in retaliation, but in reality we need to import a lot of stuff into Britain nowadays as we simply don't have the ability to produce it here any more. So we can stick custom duties on EU imports but ultimately we still need the goods so those higher costs will just be passed onto the UK consumers.
You conveniently forget that France regularly blocked the import of any British meat products, whenever they wanted (probably because it didn't run at Royal Ascot, Lingfield or Sandown)
no they don't anymore, because they legally can't unless there is an EU wide ban.The horsemeat scandal is a good example of the failure of harmonisation laws. The point should be that meat you buy anywhere in Europe with the European Standard. Therefore as consumers we should be able to be assured that those 50p lasagnes made in Romania met certain quality standards....obviously they didn't because criminals intentionally set out to commit fraud.
But still I'd rather by Romanian beef then buy Chinese baby milk.
Maybe so, but by being with the EU we can legally challenge and overturn such stunts.
Just because the EU overturn a ban does not mean thet all of a sudden the French will buy british Beef , They will continue t buy what suits them.
Germany is our biggest export customer and will continue to be so whether in the EU or not.
90% of products on sale within the EU come from non EU countries, Tiawan , China , etc etc.
The EU is a failed and busted flush.
Germany is our biggest export customer and will continue to be so whether in the EU or not.
90% of products on sale within the EU come from non EU countries, Tiawan , China , etc etc.
The EU is a failed and busted flush.
It takes years. The french know every loophole.
Far better to be outside and just ban french imports. That will teach them some manners.
By the time the legalities are seen too the damage is done.
Their fishing vessels can get the hell out of uk waters also.
88.2% of statistics are made up on the spot.
Yes you can't make anyone buy a particular product, where it be beef, fish or a sofa.
However most people aren't too fussed on where a product comes from. If it meets their needs and the price is right they will but it irrespective of its origin.
Yes you can't make anyone buy a particular product, where it be beef, fish or a sofa.
However most people aren't too fussed on where a product comes from. If it meets their needs and the price is right they will but it irrespective of its origin.
All well and good until we need some new nuclear reactors. Unfortunately the uk has lost or expertise and ability to build them and thus we must look to the French to do it for us.
Goes back to what I was saying before - we'd miss EU imports more they would miss UK ones as we don't make anything good here or have much specialist knowledge anymore
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