You have evidence of the future? Wow!
And which alternative history are you comparing it to?
The fact that we have a car industry that actually employs many thousands (with associated supply chain), that we have such a huge level of trade (which creates jobs), that we have a scientific sector so closely linked, all shows it to be a success.
Not a single University Chancellor wants Brexit. Why? Because they know how collaborative science is. Science can bring a whole host of benefits in the long term, and we do these things really well. But when it looks like we are getting closed off, those opportunities can dry up really quickly.
Want more evidence? Ok, try the OECD:
http://www.oecd.org/eco/the-economic-consequences-of-brexit-a-taxing-decision.htm
They project long term impact as being between -2.7% and -7.7% lower GDP in 2030. Of course, these things aren't exact, and depend on many decisions down the line, but why put the future of our country at risk because of how you feel about the EU?
Why do you resent the EU anyway? What rules do you want to see changed?
Yes. Economists have the same credibility as astrologers and social scientists; they're not dealing with physics but human behaviour and chaos.
That's like saying weather men are inaccurate because of Michael Fish getting it wrong before that storm. If they were that bad, they'd be out of a job. And it isn't just one chap saying this, its the vast majority.
You are basing your optimism on feelings. Some nebulous guess work that it will be ok.
You've provided zero evidence of anything that would allow us to prosper, unless you actually want us to be some tax haven for the rich, and screw the rest of us.
Don't you trust the EU to make good rules, then? We need to keep them in check?
You want us to make our own rules. I've pointed out that we'll be a rule taker over all, rather than a rule maker. We'll have no say in future EU rules, even we'll have to work to them. And in future trade deals with other countries, we'll have far less clout to dictate the terms of any trade deals, as we are so much smaller than the EU.
And how does that trade wall around the free market help us get cheap goods, exactly? Oh, you're being Eurocentric, my mista
More ignorance. You get favourable trade deals by being a big player. This leads to greater economic efficiency.
Actually we won't have to do anything. That's the point. But we may do, for reasons of expediency, as we see fit.
We have to if we don't want to go to the wall, meaning we'd do them anyway. You just resent being told to do what you'd do anyway. Does that attitude sound rational to you?
We'd be leaving the EU at huge cost, shooting ourselves in the foot effectively and screwing our youth because of err.... feelings.
You want to compare that to EU ineffeciency? Seriously, are you joking?
Want to go further? OK, how long does a vote in the UK parliament take compared to the EU? Look it up.
Or maybe you are hoping for a job as a civil servant in a post-Brexit UK, I don't know.
Or how about Defra? You think the UK system is efficient compared to the EU? Really?
Those are purely emotive, ethical points, not useful to the argument for EU membership. We can't convince each other to change our ethics.
It makes economic sense to provide for the poor though, as they don't save (usually can't). They put the money back into the economy. This is aside from the ethical issue.
Were you happy with the treatment you received in, say, 1985? It was cheaper... why is that no longer good enough for you? What would be good enough? An extra £350M a week? Or would you grow acustomed to that new standard and so argue for even more the next week? If the problems are thanks to the Tories, why do you look to the EU for the solution?
Actually, in the late 1990s early 2000s, people were happy with the NHS. Many expressed satisfaction at their local services, but felt nationally it was poor (but this disconnect was down to media portrayal.)
(I was also impressed that the PM stuck to her schedule of triggering article 50 "by the end of March 2017". Hats off, I thought that was way too specific a promise to keep)
