When considering in or out:

[JohnD]

It's funny to see the RWRs and Brexiteers driven to rage on the day the resignation letter went in.

Calm down, boys, you should be happy.

When does the £350m turn up?

 

[JohnD]

Smile, Quitters!

 

[Corgigrouch GTi]

No, but what does count is not being a racist ******.

Are you still a sparky or are you just pretending?

 

[Corgigrouch GTi]

It's funny to see the RWRs and Brexiteers driven to rage on the day the resignation letter went in.

Calm down, boys, you should be happy.

When does the £350m turn up?

Do we detect a lot of built up anger from you John? I'm sure that it is the result of not getting what you want. The £350 mill arrives when we have left the EU so the easier you make it happen, the sooner you get it..

 

[blightymam]

When does the £350m turn up?

I think we should pay the £350 million to the families of the murdered brexit people that John talks about.
They are both real, hey JohnD?

 

[wobs]

Yes, but I was expecting you to provide "the evidence which points to us being worse off" if we had not joined the EU. So far you have only stated that the UK is not poorer than it is. You've provided zero evidence of anything that will cause us to fail (how do you measure failure?). Yes, we can speculate and hypothesise, but that is not the same as evidence.

A hypothesis is a theory without evidence. I have provided evidence. You have provided zero evidence of anything.

Are you implying only 28 world nations manage to collaborate on science? Don't forget we can (and almost certainly will) remain part of the EU’s research and educational projects, same as Israel, Canada etc.

Collaborations are far easier in the EU owing to free movement of people. It is therefore far easier to happen, and therefore far more likely to happen.

The OECD, like most economic pundits, have been continually forced to revise their predictions upwards after the 'unexpected' growth following the referendum. Their long-range predictive credibility is the same as random chance, yet you continue to defer to them as some kind of oracle?

Yes, because we haven't left yet. Why does this keep having to be pointed out? The Financial Services sector has already started to move operations out of the UK. Other sectors will follow. What are they going to be replaced with?

Weathermen are good at short-range predictions. Economists too, though less so. Both fail completely at long-range predicitons, for simple mathematical reasons (chaos theory).

Long range forecasts can be worse and better than predicted, just like economic forecasts, and they come with in a range, just like long range economic forecasts (like the OECD provided).

2.2 billion Christians worldwide can't be wrong, right?

That would be religion - a belief system based upon faith, with zero evidence. A bit like Brexit in that respect

As are you your pessimism; economic forecasts are nebulous guesswork. Neither of us is immune to confirmation bias.

No, it based upon evidence, such as the links I've already provided. Did you even read the reports?

Do only the rich pay tax? Socialist countires have the highest taxes of all, are they havens for the poor? How much tax do you consider 'just right'? Don't forget that 'low tax' goes hand in hand with 'high wage'.

If we screw the poor by

Once again you're overreaching. We'll have to work to them only when exporting to the EU.

Working to two different standards when we wouldn't really need to. Do you think that makes sense? And if anything, you're over reaching, as you have no idea what standards we'll have to adopt. Given the amount of trade the UK will want to continue to do with the EU, it is likely we'll have to continue to work to those standards.

We ended 2016 as the world’s most successful major economy and remain the world's fifth largest. Yet you call that small?

You are aware that countries like India will surpass us don't you? And the countries/trading blocs that we want to trade with the most are largely bigger than us (eg. EU, US, Japan...)

What do you mean, 'a vote'? By whom, Lords or Commons? If you mean 'how long does it take to push legislation through' it is highly variable. I'm not sure they're even comparable since the EU and UK parliaments work very differently. But we saw the Brexit Bill go through in what I consider breakneck speed! (I was also impressed that the PM stuck to her schedule of triggering article 50 "by the end of March 2017". Hats off, I thought that was way too specific a promise to keep)

Typical Commons vote: 30mins
Typical EU vote: seconds.

Do the rich hoard theirs in Scrooge McDuck money vaults?

Please explain what you're saying here. The rich can afford to accumulate wealth without putting it back into our economy. Keeping the poor off the street, keeping them healthy makes more economic sense for a country like this.

OK, but why is membership of the EU the only possible solution to whatever problem the NHS currently has?

Because it makes economic sense. Brexit is so expensive, and pointless, we may as well spend it on something that makes sense.

 

[wobs]

change the tax on tampons .

full democracy in the UK for over 100 years , 2 WW , founder member of Nato , permanent seat on the UN security council one of only 2 military powers in the EU

And we have to go to 28 countries cap in hand over a tampon Tax ffs

It would be a bummer if we lost that seat on the security council because of Brexit. You know, if we just ended up as England & Whales.

Is this why people why want Brexit? Tampons?

 

[Gerrydelasel]

Smile, Quitters!

I'm confused. Does the fence represent the EU external CCT tariff or, what?

 

[wobs]

Meet with my MP to persuade her to propose in parliament a change to a piece of irksome legislation inherited from the EU.
"Oh yeah, which one? Bendy bananas?!"
Any of them. The point is I will be able to; I will have orders of magnitude more influence than I currently have over Brussels, because my MP has actual legislative power; not much, but some.

I have been in contact with my MP and MEP in the past. Both have been approachable, and helpful. What's the problem?

I have also provided feedback for the writing of EU legislation, even though I don't work for the EU. And yet people refer to it as some dictatorship. Bizarre.

You sound like you have feeling of Imperialist leanings.

 

[Gerrydelasel]

I have provided evidence.

No, you've simply stated "the way things are at the moment". That's only evidence of the present.

Other sectors will follow. What are they going to be replaced with?

That's like saying "tigers are going extint, what will they be replaced with?" The market is ephemeral, dynamic, it evolves. You don't 'plan' what businesses are going to exist where and when, it just happens.

Long range forecasts can be worse and better than predicted

Kinda like horoscopes, then?

Working to two different standards when we wouldn't really need to. Do you think that makes sense?

No, and that is precisely what we do now. 20% of business trade with the EU, the rest have to follow EU rules by default, then follow their non-EU export partners' rules as well. Working to two different standards.

You are aware that countries like India will surpass us don't you?

Will they? Got an economic crystal ball speaking again? How far do we have to drop down the list before we are 'too small'? Maybe we should make a trade agreement with India quicksharp then, since the EU has failed.

Typical Commons vote: 30mins
Typical EU vote: seconds.

Commons has legislative power, EU parliament doesn't. Besides, what wrong with 30 mins? You on your way to a house fire or something?

The rich can afford to accumulate wealth without putting it back into our economy.

The rich spend more than the poor. The rich generally don't accumulate vast sums and just leave it dormant in an account, you dont' get rich that way.

Brexit is so expensive, and pointless, we may as well spend it on something that makes sense.

Being a member of the EU is also expensive. Leavign the EU is expensive. Who is making it expensive? The EU. At least Brexit is a one-off event.

 

[Gerrydelasel]

I have been in contact with my MP and MEP in the past. Both have been approachable, and helpful. What's the problem?

Mainly that MEPs have no legislative power, only the comissioners do.
As a bonus, there are a lot more MP constituencies, so your MP is likely to have better knowledge of local interests than an MEP who covers a much larger area -another facet of small government, which I prefer.

You sound like you have feeling of Imperialist leanings.

I do agree that the ECHR is imperialist, and the EU is tightly bound up with that.

 

[ban-all-sheds]

Mainly that MEPs have no legislative power, only the comissioners do.

Do you remember how it required a private citizen to take our executive branch to court to force them to accept that our MPs have legislative power, and that when she did so she received death threats and the judges were lambasted by parts of the press?

Shows how much respect those leading and cheering on the process actually care about MPs having legislative power - they don't want the legislature to be anything other than a supine body armed with rubber stamps which say "yes".

And the European Parliament can propose, amend and reject legislation, so I'm not sure what you mean by "MEPs have no legislative power". Do you even know? If you apply whatever it is you do mean to our parliament, how much "legislative power" do our MPs have?

I do agree that the ECHR is imperialist, and the EU is tightly bound up with that.

The ECHR is not an EU institution. Given that Empress Treeza (who voted for her to be our PM, by the way?) is telling the EU that leaving the EU does not mean that we don't want to be an active partner in Europe, we cannot possibly leave the Council of Europe. So leaving the EU will have no effect on our ratification of the European Convention on Human Rights, or the fact that we are under the jurisdiction of the European Court of Human Rights.

But you knew all that, surely, so I'm not sure what point you were trying to make by saying "the EU is tightly bound up with that".

 

[transam]

It would be a bummer if we lost that seat on the security council because of Brexit. You know, if we just ended up as England & Whales.

Is this why people why want Brexit? Tampons?

perhaps u need to get your medication reviewed

 

[transam]

blimey I bet the EU cannot wait for the Scottish independence referendum

They will be welcomed into the EU with open arms

cap in one hand & a begging bowl in the other, There MEP has already made a "begging speech" on behalf of Scotland how did it go live on national T.V


" We (scotland /SNP) beg of you "

BEG still look what Scotland will bring to the EU after they get there hand in the till for a massive hand out , hoovering up EU funds

deep fried batterd mars bars , haggis , irn Bru

 

[Judy in the sky]

Will they be the ones who marched off to fight in world wars which involved other countries?

FFS, if it had only involved the UK and Germany, they wouldn't have been called "World Wars" would they?