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[carmanmemoranda]

I bet he has a sneaky peak. Can't resist it.

You know he does, either directly, or via the posts that gant makes, copying my quotes in .

And those 2 talk about logic

 

[Deleted member 221031]

Is that a gut feeling?

Got a bit sad now.

Time to open a nice bottle and reflect.

I do thing Denny and Carmmy already share a room

 

[denso13]

And those 2 talk about logic

Best double act since Hinge and Bracket.

 

[Deleted member 221031]

Night ladies. Sleep tight.

 

[Deleted member 221031]

Best double act since Hinge and Bracket.

Replying in the “3rd” Person is a new low.

 

[IT Minion]

Sorry I meant for chest infections, with previous season infection history.

Covid comes along and no more antibiotics. Death certificate says “Covid”

And normally you don't get antibiotics for a chest infection with pretty much the same exceptions. Most chest infections are viral not bacterial.

Chest infection

Symptoms and causes of chest infections in adults, how to look after yourself at home and when to speak to your GP practice

www.nhsinform.scot

You really do swallow anything you're told without doing any fact checking don't you.

 

[noseall]

You really do swallow anything you're told without doing any fact checking don't you.

I think he must encounter gullible morons on a daily basis, that probably nod approvingly at every word he says. He's then shocked when he comes on here and folk don't believe him.

Trés boring.

 

[IT Minion]

I think he must encounter gullible morons on a daily basis, that probably nod approvingly at every word he says. He's then shocked when he comes on here and folk don't believe him.

Trés boring.

If he wanted to prove it he could compare the number of antibiotics prescriptions for 2019, 2020,2021 and see if there's a massive drop. It could be higher or lower as GPs were giving antibiotics out like smarties during lockdown, but there were fewer general infections due to lockdown.

Prescription Cost Analysis – England – 2021/22 | NHSBSA

Published 9 June 2022. Summary Prescription Cost Analysis (PCA) provides details of the costs and volumes of all prescriptions dispensed in the community in England. We consulted on the content and methodology used in this publication during winter 2020/21. View our response to this consultation.

www.nhsbsa.nhs.uk

But he's a troll so he won't. And to be fair it'd probably be half an hour's work.

 

[Deleted member 221031]

And normally you don't get antibiotics for a chest infection with pretty much the same exceptions. Most chest infections are viral not bacterial.

Chest infection

Symptoms and causes of chest infections in adults, how to look after yourself at home and when to speak to your GP practice

www.nhsinform.scot

You really do swallow anything you're told without doing any fact checking don't you.

Nothing in there disproves what I said ?

Old dear with chest issues had been prescribed antibiotics in previous years. Not in the lockdown….

A little NHS article hardly disproves that. It’s a generic coverall.

 

[Deleted member 221031]

If he wanted to prove it he could compare the number of antibiotics prescriptions for 2019, 2020,2021 and see if there's a massive drop. It could be higher or lower as GPs were giving antibiotics out like smarties during lockdown, but there were fewer general infections due to lockdown.

Prescription Cost Analysis – England – 2021/22 | NHSBSA

Published 9 June 2022. Summary Prescription Cost Analysis (PCA) provides details of the costs and volumes of all prescriptions dispensed in the community in England. We consulted on the content and methodology used in this publication during winter 2020/21. View our response to this consultation.

www.nhsbsa.nhs.uk

But he's a troll so he won't. And to be fair it'd probably be half an hour's work.

That’s even worse.

 

[jeds]

From what I remember the flapping at the time was all about how full the hospitals were. That was apparently responding to lockdowns and opening-ups.
Remember Starmer wanting a "Circuit Breaker" lockdown to help hospitals for Christmas?
I dunno who his technical adviser was. His electrician presumably.

I think this is what gets lost in the looking back. Most of the decisions taken in the middle of the covid panic were heavily influenced by hysterical press and media reporting. The media demanded more ventilators. Why don't we have more ventilators? Every other country has got more ventilators than us! We must have more ventilators! Yet, all along, doctors were saying that ventilators kill more people than they save. (That bit not widely reported on account of not fitting with the 'why haven't we got more ventilators' outrage.) So the government got a vacuum company to knock up a couple of thousand - probably all in a cupboard somewhere now.

Same for covid tests, same for PPE, and plenty of other stuff. A lot of poor decisions were made just to appease the outraged press and media.

 

[denso13]

Yet, all along, doctors were saying that ventilators kill more people than they save.

Then why were people put on ventilators at all?

 

[jeds]

Then why were people put on ventilators at all?

It's normally a last, last resort. Ventilate or die. Of course people do survive a ventilator but they require extremely close attention - intensive care - and even then people die. I saw a report in the Lancet where a consultant said; 'we call it death by ventilator'. That sort of close attention was thought to be impossible under the anticipated hundreds of patients in large sports hall type situations.

Anyway, it didn't really happen but that's not the point. The point is that consultants weren't the ones clamouring for thousands and thousands of ventilators, the press and media were.

 

[denso13]

It's normally a last, last resort. Ventilate or die. Of course people do survive a ventilator but they require extremely close attention - intensive care - and even then people die.

I know that but it seems strange, even as a last resort, that doctors would use a treatment which they new all along was the worst option.

The point is that consultants weren't the ones clamouring for thousands and thousands of ventilators, the press and media were.

That's not how I remember it.

"In the early stages of the COVID-19 pandemic, DHSC and NHSE&I believed the NHS might need far more ventilators than it had available:

NHSE&I’s modelling on 12 February indicated that a reasonable worst-case scenario demand for beds with mechanical ventilators in England could be as high as 59,000. This was based on the latest planning assumptions from the Scientific Pandemic Influenza Group on Modelling (SPI-M) that had been assured by the Scientific Advisory Group for Emergencies (SAGE), both of which provide scientific and technical advice to support government decision-makers during emergencies."

"Government decided in this context to pursue all options to acquire as many ventilators as possible."

https://www.nao.org.uk/wp-content/uploads/2020/09/Investigation-into-how-the-Government-increased-the-number-of-ventilators.pdf

 

[jeds]

Look, I'm not interested in trying to find things that counteract your things that counteracted my thing. But this isn't a dream. Many, many consultants were not happy with the ventilator fiasco.

This commentary is by Dr. Turner Osler, who is a career academic trauma surgeon at the University of Vermont Medical Center turned research epidemiologist.

"I write this in hopes of recasting the Covid-19 problem. We must move from: “We need more ventilators” to “We need more scrupulous, and more uncompromising social distancing.” I’m dismayed by the amount of air time spent on counting ventilators, bidding for ventilators, fighting over ventilators ... ventilators which in the end may not do much to change outcomes. Time would be far better spent emphasising and creatively explaining social distancing."

Which seems a bit odd as the whole thing was apparently made up by Boris Johnson and his mates to sell a load of PPE, although the promotors of that theory have never quite explained how Boris got the rest of the World to go along with it.