Don't want to offend you Freddie, but we do know what the carnage of WWI was, we just didn't realised (then) that Remembrance day here is on 11-11, we do know now of course.
11-11-11 Rememberence Day
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I have to say I was rather upset at the show of respect in my office this morning. I glanced up halfway through my silence, to see just ONE other person (of the 50 or so here) properly observing it. It's all very well being silent, but that's missing the point.
Whilst many people carried on working in silence, several people were talking, chatting the whole time, oblivious.
And most surprisingly of all, some of them were French. I thought they would be most grateful for the sacrifices made during the Great War and the Second World War.
Whilst many people carried on working in silence, several people were talking, chatting the whole time, oblivious.
And most surprisingly of all, some of them were French. I thought they would be most grateful for the sacrifices made during the Great War and the Second World War.
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If you want to know what it was really like you have to read what those who were there said about it.
Try the war poets (Owen, Sassoon etc)
The last book I read on the subject was this one:
*Dunham F, Haigh RH, Turner PW (Eds). The long carry. The journal of stretcher bearer Frank Dunham 1916-1918.
London, Pergamon Press, 1970
Well worth a read.
There's a great line in a more recent song about it but I can't remember the name atm.
"Was it quick was it clean - was it slow and obscene" (About death).
joe
Try the war poets (Owen, Sassoon etc)
The last book I read on the subject was this one:
*Dunham F, Haigh RH, Turner PW (Eds). The long carry. The journal of stretcher bearer Frank Dunham 1916-1918.
London, Pergamon Press, 1970
Well worth a read.
There's a great line in a more recent song about it but I can't remember the name atm.
"Was it quick was it clean - was it slow and obscene" (About death).
joe
joe-90 said:
'No Man's Land' by Eric Bogle.
'And I see by your gravestone you were only nineteen
When you joined the glorious fallen in 1916
Well I hope you died quick and I hope you died clean
Or Willie McBride was it slow and obscene?'
This wonderful anti-war song was inspired by the name Willie McBride on a gravestone in France which Bogle saw when he was travelling through.
No i wasn't putting an age on it it could be ancient, the numbering system goes back to ancient times, what i was referring to is the constant use of numbers by the media and such as though it has come into fashion and every presenter must use numbers as opposed to calling it what it is such as the attack on the world trade centre, that sticks in the mind, 9/11 is just numbers and the date will eventually be forgotten as to what it means alone.Freddie said:
it's so Kitch!
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I flit about all over online I took the right coloured Pill when asked ,lol
What really upsets me is the lack of respect by people in our age bracket who should know better , who spout UTTER SH**E threads like ,
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"Why should I Have to be conned into wearing a poppy, they died get over it ..."
"Wear a white poppy as I hate the Iraq war ....Discuss "
"whats the fuss , who cares ...lol"
"We would of been better letting Hitler invade the Uk ,look at how good Germany are now "
"why celebrate the old regimes ,or is this because we the Imperial Masters are beaten now /shamed"
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All these threads were started at well known UK boards an the ammount of clever-dick-right -on posts were shameful ....
best about it the admins/mods never closed the threads .....
if against ethnics ,oh yes straight away , but white British old soldiers being rubbished ... well thats how this society is going .. where we ridicule our past /culture an faith but ethnics are NO1 ,I dont want to sound all slogger but this time ... I do ...
I tried too shame an ridicule these British idiots but unless you are talking about thier thing "wages/house prices/GOOD schools for their chinless wonder kids (btw these are white /NEW ("TORY") labour supporters )they dont care....
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I was a S.T.A.B.... a tin pot wannabie ... after the Falklands I was straight there ....
alas the yellow streak in my spine stopped me ,although I sent my Grandfather Bill, into his grave knowing I was a willing lad ,much like him , he WAS with the 1st Bn., East Lancs. Regt,he was captured by the BAST**D JAPS SCUM in Burma , he was sent too the Death Railway , he didnt survive ....
Yes he came home....... to my nan but he was skin an bone an dead inside ,LOST FOREVER ....
every sunday we visited as kids me an my sisters , an he sat there in the front parlour , never saying much an an just smiling at us , worst was seeing tears roll down his checks as he smiled an shook inside ...closing his eyes in shame /upset ......
Once we went to a local river I was 6 an my sisters older he was sat an he got a bite an my sis realed it in as he sat their like a corpse , he yelled
"kawp koon" which is thanks in thai , him still thinking holding a fish was back then was from a thai kid ...... ,we loved him more then ..
In the nights he would scream the street awake,
with the night terrors of his beatings, an the worse
my nan told me she heard him recite in his nightly
terrors was being squashed into a 2ft by 3ft bamboo box an left for 2weeks in the Punishment yard allday sun , only allowed water
I did hear through , some of his mates from the British Legion ,who were in the camp ,
he was the fixer he got Red cross through ,
an the Thai natives would offer rice at better black market deals through him ,
he also got lots of med cases too the camp by "respecting the NO1 guards "
these guards were hated as they were the sadist basta*ds , he would teach them English for medic parcels , as they still believed they would be Marching around London as Masters ...
The Brit legion pals said after he got out of the Death Box , he was never right , 3 days later the US forces took the camp ,such a waste , as he kept many alive for over 2yrs 5months
Many at the camp an though the Brit legion I have contacted say them DIRTY SLIT EYED SCUM ...
knew the yanks were coming , the imates were oblivious , the natives had always been saying "yanks here" for years ...
They knew he was the voice of the camp an Destroyed him ....to keep him quiet ..
47 "respecting the NO1 guards " were brought into the camp as the Brit prisoners were being Red Crossed .. all Bast*rds shot except 5 who were put in "the Box " an watched as they died slowly an cheered every moan/wail ...
all officers had fallen on the sword straight too HELL ...
...........................................................................................
so if you think a donation for a poppy ....is too much .. think its NEVER ENOUGH FOR THAT GENERATION ..... IS IT ?
What really upsets me is the lack of respect by people in our age bracket who should know better , who spout UTTER SH**E threads like ,
////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////
"Why should I Have to be conned into wearing a poppy, they died get over it ..."
"Wear a white poppy as I hate the Iraq war ....Discuss "
"whats the fuss , who cares ...lol"
"We would of been better letting Hitler invade the Uk ,look at how good Germany are now "
"why celebrate the old regimes ,or is this because we the Imperial Masters are beaten now /shamed"
/////////////////////////////////////////////////
All these threads were started at well known UK boards an the ammount of clever-dick-right -on posts were shameful ....
best about it the admins/mods never closed the threads .....
if against ethnics ,oh yes straight away , but white British old soldiers being rubbished ... well thats how this society is going .. where we ridicule our past /culture an faith but ethnics are NO1 ,I dont want to sound all slogger but this time ... I do ...
I tried too shame an ridicule these British idiots but unless you are talking about thier thing "wages/house prices/GOOD schools for their chinless wonder kids (btw these are white /NEW ("TORY") labour supporters )they dont care....
/////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////
I was a S.T.A.B.... a tin pot wannabie ... after the Falklands I was straight there ....
alas the yellow streak in my spine stopped me ,although I sent my Grandfather Bill, into his grave knowing I was a willing lad ,much like him , he WAS with the 1st Bn., East Lancs. Regt,he was captured by the BAST**D JAPS SCUM in Burma , he was sent too the Death Railway , he didnt survive ....
Yes he came home....... to my nan but he was skin an bone an dead inside ,LOST FOREVER ....
every sunday we visited as kids me an my sisters , an he sat there in the front parlour , never saying much an an just smiling at us , worst was seeing tears roll down his checks as he smiled an shook inside ...closing his eyes in shame /upset ......
Once we went to a local river I was 6 an my sisters older he was sat an he got a bite an my sis realed it in as he sat their like a corpse , he yelled
"kawp koon" which is thanks in thai , him still thinking holding a fish was back then was from a thai kid ...... ,we loved him more then ..
In the nights he would scream the street awake,
with the night terrors of his beatings, an the worse
my nan told me she heard him recite in his nightly
terrors was being squashed into a 2ft by 3ft bamboo box an left for 2weeks in the Punishment yard allday sun , only allowed water
I did hear through , some of his mates from the British Legion ,who were in the camp ,
he was the fixer he got Red cross through ,
an the Thai natives would offer rice at better black market deals through him ,
he also got lots of med cases too the camp by "respecting the NO1 guards "
these guards were hated as they were the sadist basta*ds , he would teach them English for medic parcels , as they still believed they would be Marching around London as Masters ...
The Brit legion pals said after he got out of the Death Box , he was never right , 3 days later the US forces took the camp ,such a waste , as he kept many alive for over 2yrs 5months
Many at the camp an though the Brit legion I have contacted say them DIRTY SLIT EYED SCUM ...
knew the yanks were coming , the imates were oblivious , the natives had always been saying "yanks here" for years ...
They knew he was the voice of the camp an Destroyed him ....to keep him quiet ..
47 "respecting the NO1 guards " were brought into the camp as the Brit prisoners were being Red Crossed .. all Bast*rds shot except 5 who were put in "the Box " an watched as they died slowly an cheered every moan/wail ...
all officers had fallen on the sword straight too HELL ...
...........................................................................................
so if you think a donation for a poppy ....is too much .. think its NEVER ENOUGH FOR THAT GENERATION ..... IS IT ?
11th hour of the 11th day of the 11th month when the guns of the great war fell silent.
Why the poppy.... because its said it was the first flower seen to blossom on the battle fields.
I wear my poppy with pride and respect for those who gave the greatest sacrifice for us not only in the great war but in all wars/conflicts/peace keeping duties since, but also to remember a couple of freinds who died while on active service in the 80's.
Why the poppy.... because its said it was the first flower seen to blossom on the battle fields.
I wear my poppy with pride and respect for those who gave the greatest sacrifice for us not only in the great war but in all wars/conflicts/peace keeping duties since, but also to remember a couple of freinds who died while on active service in the 80's.
saw eastenders last night and it bought a lump to my throat,i watched it with my 6 yr old daughter and i tried to explain why people killed each other kids of that age see things in black and white but h what do you say when they ask "were the enemy nasty people" it reminds me of that scene from saving private ryan when he slowly pushed the knife in the nazi to kill him,that is what war was really like,fighting for ones country and proud of it.when you watch t.v. lately theres outrage when a teenager gets stabbed but in the war thousands and thousands get tortured and killed for people like us.
kids of that age see things in black and white but h what do you say when they ask "were the enemy nasty people" it reminds me of that scene from saving private ryan when he slowly pushed the knife in the nazi to kill him,that is what war was really like,fighting for ones country and proud of it.when you watch t.v. lately theres outrage when a teenager gets stabbed but in the war thousands and thousands get tortured and killed for people like us.ohmygodwhathaveyoudone said:saw eastenders last night and it bought a lump to my throat,i watched it with my 6 yr old daughter and i tried to explain why people killed each other
In WW1 and 2 we werent the agressors so you could claim self defence for your actions the rest of the conflict you can argue about.
within reasonFreddie said:ohmygodwhathaveyoudone said:saw eastenders last night and it bought a lump to my throat,i watched it with my 6 yr old daughter and i tried to explain why people killed each other
In WW1 and 2 we werent the agressors so you could claim self defence for your actions
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