696 migrants, 14 boats

[Pat ex]

Where did I say the UK would prosecute infringement of EU/French law?

Your question was, what French laws have been broken.

Why are you ignoring the fact that someone entered France illegally and did not seek asylum to protect them from prosecution of the relevant immigration laws that they broke?

If they all chipped in to buy the boat and have joint title, then they are all responsible for the registration. The fact that its a DIY boat built from grow bag plastic is irrelevant. Its a vessel that needed to be registered. I suspect however the more serious crime is the immigration offence.

The moment one of these dodgy craft is sighted in French waters, there are grounds to investigate. Instead they escort them to UK waters and hand them over to SARs teams who escort them to the UK for processing.

You appear to be intent on blaming the French for the refugee crisis. Like the NI protocol is the fault of the EU, and the problems caused by Brexit are caused by the intransigence of the EU. And the holdups in Dover are caused by the French.

Obviously you intend to continue with your blame-game diplomacy. It hasn't worked for the last thirty years, why do you think it will magically start working now?
Until we approach the problem with a collective responsibility mindset, there will be no workable solution. The blame game does not work, and the British public are beginning to see through it.

 

[Pat ex]

Where did I say the UK would prosecute infringement of EU/French law?

Your question was, what French laws have been broken.

I don't think I did ask 'what French laws have been broken'?
I asserted that UK cannot prosecute using French or EU laws, which you were citing should be enforced. I did assert that France does enforce its laws on those criminals that are detected and caught.
I also asserted that France does act to deter channel crossings, and unauthorised entry into France, although due to Schengen it assumed that the vast majority of visitors to France have already crossed an EU border somewhere, or are entering through an official entry point.

Are you arguing that the Schengen area should be dismantled and individual borders re-erected?

 

[fillyboy]

I don't think I did ask 'what French laws have been broken'?

If/when they were detected, what (French) law have they broken?

 

[Pat ex]

Accepted. I couldn't remember asking.
Thanks for that.

But as I pointed out, it's pointless quoting laws if the people are not detected or caught. And they cannot be prosecuted in UK for breaking French laws.

 

[diy_fun_uk]

You appear to be intent on blaming the French for the refugee crisis. Like the NI protocol is the fault of the EU, and the problems caused by Brexit are caused by the intransigence of the EU. And the holdups in Dover are caused by the French.

Obviously you intend to continue with your blame-game diplomacy. It hasn't worked for the last thirty years, why do you think it will magically start working now?
Until we approach the problem with a collective responsibility mindset, there will be no workable solution. The blame game does not work, and the British public are beginning to see through it.

First bib, for me it's not so much about blaming France for the crisis, however it certainly appears they are not being as proactive as they could be re stopping these people leaving their shores. Yes I know why, I don't need a lecture from anyone thanks

Second bib, I actually agree with this, not just on this situation but many. Unfortunately, politicians and/or countries often seem incapable of doing so, hence these issues dragging on and on.

I keep on saying, taking the topic of this thread, if France and the UK were genuinely working together on it, and perhaps throwing copious amounts of cash at it for a couple of years, I'm confident (e.g. through sheer number of personnel on French shores) the numbers coming across could be significantly reduced if not practically stopped.

 

[Notch7]

First bib, for me it's not so much about blaming France for the crisis, however it certainly appears they are not being as proactive as they could be re stopping these people leaving their shores.

the French already take far more asylum seekers than we do, its not surprising the arent that motivated in stopping some leaving for the UK

Second bib, I actually agree with this, not just on this situation but many. Unfortunately, politicians and/or countries often seem incapable of doing so, hence these issues dragging on and on.

immigration is an emotive subject -look at the hate and vitirol by some just on this forum

supporting and dealing with immigrants is a vote loser
blaming immigrants for domestic policital failure is a vote winner

I keep on saying, taking the topic of this thread, if France and the UK were genuinely working together on it, and perhaps throwing copious amounts of cash at it for a couple of years, I'm confident (e.g. through sheer number of personnel on French shores) the numbers coming across could be significantly reduced if not practically stopped

sadly there will never be any useful collaboration because that would mean an honest discussion about everybody accepting a fair share

until and unless UK agrees to take a fair share, France wont be interested in collaboration




the haters of immigrants would rather continue screaming "I dont want them, its not my problem"

 

[Pat ex]

First bib, for me it's not so much about blaming France for the crisis, however it certainly appears they are not being as proactive as they could be re stopping these people leaving their shores.

Where do you get your perception of how much or how little the French are doing?
How reliable is your source of information?
After decades of UK government and media blaming the refugees, and the rest of the world for those refugees, it's become a blame-game collective mindset

Second bib, I actually agree with this, not just on this situation but many. Unfortunately, politicians and/or countries often seem incapable of doing so, hence these issues dragging on and on.

The definition of insanity, doing the same thing over and over again and expecting a different result.

I keep on saying, taking the topic of this thread, if France and the UK were genuinely working together on it, and perhaps throwing copious amounts of cash at it for a couple of years, I'm confident (e.g. through sheer number of personnel on French shores) the numbers coming across could be significantly reduced if not practically stopped.

It's a global issue. I'll stop short of calling it a problem, because it's a natural human trait for people to migrate. If it were not humans would still be only in Africa. And the rest of the world would be inhabited by Neanderthals.
Perhaps when governments also stop seeing it as a problem to resolve, and look for ways to manage it better, it will stop being a problem.

 

[diy_fun_uk]

Where do you get your perception of how much or how little the French are doing?
How reliable is your source of information?
After decades of UK government and media blaming the refugees, and the rest of the world for those refugees, it's become a blame-game collective mindset

The definition of insanity, doing the same thing over and over again and expecting a different result.

It's a global issue. I'll stop short of calling it a problem, because it's a natural human trait for people to migrate. If it were not humans would still be only in Africa. And the rest of the world would be inhabited by Neanderthals.
Perhaps when governments also stop seeing it as a problem to resolve, and look for ways to manage it better, it will stop being a problem.

First bib, did you see the title of this thread?
Second bib, multiple news outlets and government reports. No I'm not going to search for and cite them
Third bib, no sh1t Sherlock. However this thread is specifically about the issue of migrants coming from France to the UK.
Fourth bib, I'd assert the countries these people are fleeing from need to get their sh1t in order so their citizens don't want to leave.

On the wider point, yes of course it (the migration/movement of masses) is going to get worse, perhaps a lot worse, over the coming decades. Putting wars and social unrest aside, if global weather experts are to be believed, significant changes to global weather in coming decades are going to displace millions upon millions. So, if this is true, we're only seeing the tip of the iceberg in terms of people wanting/needing to move from a to b.

Hence, on a personal level (call it selfish if you like) I'm pleased that two three decades from now I'll be out of here.

 

[Pat ex]

First bib, did you see the title of this thread?

As John Lichfield observes:

Blaming the French for what happened makes as much sense as blaming the water.

OPINION: France protects UK from migrant crisis, a fact Britain will never accept

Calais is a never-ending tragedy - writes John Lichfield - and something like Wednesday’s calamity has been inevitable for months.

www.thelocal.fr

Second bib, multiple news outlets and government reports. No I'm not going to search for and cite them

All in English? Aimed at the British public?
It's good to be well informed, but we need to be aware that information/news/ propaganda is invariably aimed at a target group.
There are foreign media sources reporting in English. Yes, of course they are still aimed at a target group.

Third bib, no sh1t Sherlock. However this thread is specifically about the issue of migrants coming from France to the UK.

Sure, but the whole picture is similarly applicable. It is not possible to 'manage' the France to UK situation without being fully aware of the rest of the migratory routes to France.

Fourth bib, I'd assert the countries these people are fleeing from need to get their sh1t in order so their citizens don't want to leave.

They'll have difficulty doing that with our propensity to supply them with the means to carry on their sh1t. And the reduction in foreign aid won't help either.

On the wider point, yes of course it (the migration/movement of masses) is going to get worse, perhaps a lot worse, over the coming decades. Putting wars and social unrest aside, if global weather experts are to be believed, significant changes to global weather in coming decades are going to displace millions upon millions. So, if this is true, we're only seeing the tip of the iceberg in terms of people wanting/needing to move from a to b.

Agreed. Also remember UK is only seeing the tip of the refugee crisis anyway.

Hence, on a personal level (call it selfish if you like) I'm pleased that two three decades from now I'll be out of here.

I suspect I'll be gone well before you. If I manage two more decades, I'll be laughing all the way to eternity. Just one more will be excellent.

 

[carmanmemoranda]

Yawn

you don’t have that sleep
Type affliction do you were bye you fall asleep with out warning

Blimey have you notified the DVLA ?

Im not the 1 that cant read anything longer than 2 sentences renember?

Trying to understand your point of view, do you think the French dont catch and stop any attempting the crossing? Do you think we find, catch and stop every crossing? Boats, lorries, planes etc.

How small a coastline do you think France has? All in clear easy sight even in the dark of night ?

The end result, whatever you may wish, is that it will take effort, money and co operation to get control. Luckily Brexit has helped with that.

Thinking the problem is for the French alone to sort shows your depth of thinking.

Sorry if that is too long for you again

 

[JP_]

Did we not have that ability before ?

Sshhh!

 

[JohnD]

Why don't we allow them to travel to West Wales where they can 'catch' a ferry that is perfectly safe to another EU country that has English as their first language.?

I suppose, if they could travel to RoI, they could walk across an open border from EU into UK, no questions asked.

or take the bus.

 

[transam]

Im not the 1 that cant read anything longer than 2 sentences renember?

Trying to understand your point of view, do you think the French dont catch and stop any attempting the crossing? Do you think we find, catch and stop every crossing? Boats, lorries, planes etc.

How small a coastline do you think France has? All in clear easy sight even in the dark of night ?

The end result, whatever you may wish, is that it will take effort, money and co operation to get control. Luckily Brexit has helped with that.

Thinking the problem is for the French alone to sort shows your depth of thinking.

Sorry if that is too long for you again

Never read that too long winded

I have a shirt attention span

In any event what ever it’s says I disagree

 

[carmanmemoranda]

Never read that too long winded

I have a shirt attention span

In any event what ever it’s days I disagree

So you have no reasons to back up your posts other than to just disagree.

Makes some sense now

 

[transam]

So you have no reasons to back up your posts other than to just disagree.

Makes some sense now

Well at least your post is shorter
I read that

Although your post does not make sense ( nowt unusual tbh )