A blatant lie about the NHS

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It's highly unlikely that anyone could buy that which can't be sold.

Your welcome to the last word. I'll just add there is one odd way they could do it but it wouldn't make much sense as profit would be unlikely to figure.
 
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No government could flog the NHS

it would be political suicide

all this scare mongering caper has been bandied about by dip sticks and fantasists for years
 
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A fifth of new Tory MP's have worked as lobbyists, many for private health care companies.
Worrying, but for that to have any real meaning, we need your definition of 'new Tory MP's'. For all we know, that could be just five 'new Tory MP's' meaning just one had held a job as a lobbyist. Do you have any firm figures, names, private health company names and actual job positions held?

Its a bit like scaremongering, like me saying that 100% of my earned income since last March has gone towards funding terrorist activity which, in reality, means feck all!
 
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NHS can't be sold in the normal sense of the word, but it can be privatised, franchised, disinvested (aka PFI), or out-sourced in parts, and gradually over time, but the government would be the 'buyer' of those services. For the onus of buying that service to fall on the 'patients' a total transformation of health care provision in UK would be required. I suspect that pensions could/would experience this total transformation and be totally 'privatised' before health care is even considered. But the total transformation and privatisation of pensions is fraught with difficulties and problems.

Also any new services, e.g. track and trace, testing, PIP Assessments, etc can be privatised, franchised, etc, but the government would remain as the client and the government would be doing the 'buying' of the contractor's service provision.
 
Worrying, but for that to have any real meaning, we need your definition of 'new Tory MP's'. For all we know, that could be just five 'new Tory MP's' meaning just one had held a job as a lobbyist. Do you have any firm figures, names, private health company names and actual job positions held?

Its a bit like scaremongering, like me saying that 100% of my earned income since last March has gone towards funding terrorist activity which, in reality, means feck all!
Revealed: A fifth of new Tory MPs have worked as lobbyists
https://www.opendemocracy.net/en/da...led-fifth-new-tory-mps-have-worked-lobbyists/
 
Worrying, but for that to have any real meaning, we need your definition of 'new Tory MP's'. For all we know, that could be just five 'new Tory MP's' meaning just one had held a job as a lobbyist. Do you have any firm figures, names, private health company names and actual job positions held?

Its a bit like scaremongering, like me saying that 100% of my earned income since last March has gone towards funding terrorist activity which, in reality, means feck all!
its well documented, yes there are names, private health care companies and job positions held.

I guess you are too scared to google it

fill yer boots:

https://www.opendemocracy.net/en/da...led-fifth-new-tory-mps-have-worked-lobbyists/
https://www.bmj.com/content/349/bmj.g6982
https://www.thelondoneconomic.com/o...eople-profiting-from-nhs-privatisation/22/12/
https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/selling-nhs-profit-full-list-4646154
https://www.thelondoneconomic.com/o...eople-profiting-from-nhs-privatisation/22/12/
https://www.hsj.co.uk/mps-links-with-private-health-companies-and-why-they-matter/5078148.article
https://www.thenational.scot/news/18255016.revealed-links-conservatives-private-healthcare/
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/...tary-institute-economic-affairs-a8442001.html

The £347m contract with Conservative-linked private healthcare company Randox is a six-month extension of an existing £133m deal in March. Both were awarded without a competitive tendering process.


Questions were also being asked about the role of Tory MP Owen Paterson, who is paid £100,000 a year to act as a consultant for Randox
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/...us-testing-randox-owen-paterson-b1613424.html

Revealed: A fifth of new Tory MPs have worked as lobbyists
New MPs include lobbyists for banks, private healthcare and arms manufacturers
https://www.opendemocracy.net/en/da...led-fifth-new-tory-mps-have-worked-lobbyists/
 
Dunno about you but if I were put in charge of say, a rushed big building project and I knew mates in the game, I’d pump it out to them rather than risk it to strangers. Only fair. Furthermore, if for example, I had a big building company and I wanted to branch out or specialise in say, double glazing and I needed to take on someone to run that project, who would you think would be suitable for the job - somebody with experience and contacts in the double glazing industry or someone with no experience or contacts. Now, apply that logic to government ministers.
 
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Dunno about you but if I were put in charge of say, a rushed big building project and I knew mates in the game, I’d pump it out to them rather than risk it to strangers. Only fair. Furthermore, if for example, I had a big building company and I wanted to branch out or specialise in say, double glazing and I needed to take on someone to run that project, who would you think would be suitable for the job - somebody with experience and contacts in the double glazing industry or someone with no experience or contacts. Now, apply that logic to government ministers.
Fine in theory, but when those friends and contacts also have no experience, and the product fails the specification, and the cost to the taxpayer is over £200M it becomes a thin explanation, and the people and the process need severe supervision and over-sight.

A Spanish businessman who acted as a go-between to secure protective garments for NHS staff in the coronavirus pandemic was paid $28m (£21m) in UK taxpayer cash.


Earlier this year, as the coronavirus pandemic was spreading rapidly around the world, Florida-based jewellery designer Michael Saiger set up a business to supply PPE to governments.
This led to PPE deliveries being delayed to NHS frontline workers, Mr Saiger claims, and the company "scrambling" to fulfil the contracts by other means.
So far the UK's Department of Health and Social Care (DHSC) has published contracts with Mr Saiger's company, Saiger LLC, totalling more than £200m. These were awarded without being opened to competition.
https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-54974373?piano-modal
And you think this is all in a day's work, and a suitable method of procurement.?
 
What Bobby doesn't seem to notice is what NHS stands for, The S is the gov's responsibility, It stands for Service not how that is provided.

Bobby ;) you can post what ever you like in response to that.
 
The S is the gov's responsibility, It stands for Service not how that is provided.
Precisely. The responsibility for providing that service lies with the government. They can choose how to provide that service, they can pay someone else to provide that service, but they can't sell that responsibility.
 
Fine in theory, but when those friends and contacts also have no experience, and the product fails the specification, and the cost to the taxpayer is over £200M it becomes a thin explanation, and the people and the process need severe supervision and over-sight.

A Spanish businessman who acted as a go-between to secure protective garments for NHS staff in the coronavirus pandemic was paid $28m (£21m) in UK taxpayer cash.


Earlier this year, as the coronavirus pandemic was spreading rapidly around the world, Florida-based jewellery designer Michael Saiger set up a business to supply PPE to governments.
This led to PPE deliveries being delayed to NHS frontline workers, Mr Saiger claims, and the company "scrambling" to fulfil the contracts by other means.
So far the UK's Department of Health and Social Care (DHSC) has published contracts with Mr Saiger's company, Saiger LLC, totalling more than £200m. These were awarded without being opened to competition.
https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-54974373?piano-modal
And you think this is all in a day's work, and a suitable method of procurement.?

 
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