A Blatant Lie by BJ about Trade between NI and GB.

[Vinty]

I'm intrigued, though, how can a loyalist rebellion be against the crown

That was an anti Unionist spin put out by republicans and their sympathisers in the Labour party.
It wasn't a rebellion and wasn't against the crown either.
It was in my opinion simply an industrial protest against government policy.
Harold Wilson was deeply prejudiced against Unionists, he deviously tried to undermine the democratic principle of consent for N.I. position in the UK.
The strike was just the physical manifestation of resistance by the majority of the population of N.Ireland to what they regarded as the treacherous behaviour of a scoundrel.
As usual Wilson resorted to Characterising Unionists as sectarian nutcases but in the end all he did was galvanise Unionist opinion against him.

 

[Vinty]

terrorists.

vinty likes terrorists.

That is a lie.

 

[JohnD]

Wilson let myself down,when the pressure got to him he blurted out his hatred for Ulsters protestants.

or maybe his hatred for your

well-armed private armies

terrorists.

 

[JohnD]

Harold Wilson was deeply prejudiced against ...

well-armed private armies

terrorists.

 

[Vinty]

or maybe his hatred for your



terrorists.

When he slandered Protestants he never mentioned terrorists.

 

[JohnD]

I did.

I too am prejudiced against your

well-armed private armies

terrorists.

 

[Vinty]

I did.

I too am prejudiced against your



terrorists.

I very glad to read that.
It is a pity your hero Jeremy Corbyn doesn't share your view.

 

[Notch7]

Sounds like you mate.

Mitch is a bit touchy...he voted for Brexit and it's not going so well.

Never mind, it won't be going well for decades

 

[Vinty]

The EU plundering Irish waters.

 

[fillyboy]

The EU plundering Irish waters.

Mrs Varadkar will be popular.

 

[Scarlet Pimpernel]

There was an article in a paper a while back about why politicians lie - because voters don't want the truth. ("They" doesn't of course mean everybody in the country or everybody on this forum.)

I'm glad you added the bit in brackets because evidently the article was unable to make the distinction.

Edmund Burke encapsulated it succinctly when he made the distinction between representative democracy and the alternative model of trustee representation.
In the representative model, the representative merely represents their voters voices. They can advise, suggest the alternatives, but they are obliged to lend their support to the 'popular' voice.
In the trustee model, the representative can apply their own experience, learning and understanding of issues, on behalf of their constituents.

The UK model (indeed no models exist as far as I know) does not determine the model to be followed for those elected representatives.

I, for one, far prefer the trustee model. Modern life is far too complicated and nuanced for the average person to be able to, or be in a position to research the various issues confronted in today's society. I choose my representative on their integrity, displayed wisdom, past performance and character, not on their willingness to follow my every whim. I don't want a feckless, apathetic representative who'll willingly swing with the wind in order to remain elected.

 

[Scarlet Pimpernel]

Wilson let myself down,when the pressure got to him he blurted out his hatred for Ulsters protestants.
His rants about protestants were comical, it was the IRA and it's supporters in the Irish government who were pressuring Wilson to to use the British army to suppress a legitimate strike.
The head of British Army operations in Ulster told Wilson bluntly that in the UK we don't shoot people for going on strike.

Wilson was also under surveillance by MI5 as a suspected communist.

The strike/rebellion was because DUP refused to accept a power-sharing agreement which would have reduced violence in NI.

The Sunningdale Agreement was an attempt to establish a power-sharing Northern Ireland Executive and a cross-border Council of Ireland. The agreement was signed at Sunningdale Park located in Sunningdale, Berkshire, on 9 December 1973.[1] Unionist opposition, violence and a loyalist general strike caused the collapse of the agreement in May 1974.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sunningdale_Agreement
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DUP again opposed another initiative to end the troubles in NI, the Anglo-Irish Agreement.

It (DUP) campaigned against the ...., the Anglo-Irish Agreement of 1985, .....
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Democratic_Unionist_Party
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DUP again opposed the Belfast (Good Friday) Agreement

The British–Irish Agreement came into force on 2 December 1999. The Democratic Unionist Party (DUP) was the only major political group in Northern Ireland to oppose the Good Friday Agreement.[2]
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Good_Friday_Agreement
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A prankster might suggest that DUP did not want peace in NI.
I would suggest that DUP are quite content to sacrifice peace in order to further their unionist agenda, or to thwart a republican agenda.
Clearly the Good Friday Agreement is of little concern for DUP, and can be sacrificed in their cause.
If peace is of such little concern to them, a few lies won't go amiss.
Fortunately the younger generation in NI have grown up with peace and will vote accordingly in elections and referenda.
The writing is on the wall for DUP, and their dwindling success is evident.

Let the people decide.

 

[Notch7]

The EU plundering Irish waters

Probably has more to do with quota selling

that fishing boat is owned by Parlevliet & Van der Plas -which has bought lots of fishing quotas

The investigation found that 88% of the fishing capacity within the FPO and nearly 82% of that represented by the North Sea FO are controlled by Dutch and Icelandic fishing interests. These boats have UK fishing licences and hold British fishing quota, and many are owned by UK subsidiaries of Dutch companies.

 

[Scarlet Pimpernel]

Oh dear. It looks like BJ is not the only one prepared to resort to lies and deceit in this Brexit lark. In addition the DUP willing to play with the nerves of the port workers.
It would appear that DUP resorted to a bit of deception themselves trying to sabotage the NI Protocol.

On Monday Mr O'Dowd told the Stormont assembly that the information that led to the suspension of the checks was based on "misinformation" and the staff were used as pawns in a "very cruel game".
"It had to be traumatic for those workers to be told they were under threat, to have to go home and tell their families: 'We are under threat' when no such threat existed.
Mr O'Dowd claimed in the assembly that the Democratic Unionist Party (DUP) - which has responsibility for the department which oversees customs posts - had not acted to return the staff to work because it suited the party's "agenda".
https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-northern-ireland-55994107​

 

[ajohn]

Wilson was a bit of a man of action. Left with a mess from Heath that he couldn't be blamed for. Wilson's response was very correct about what caused the problems. Solution - well for one reason or another none seem to last all that long before something or the other crops up. As Wilson mentioned a lot of what might be called issues go way back in time. Having spent time in S Ireland I have heard the reasons at that end. I was glad to see that this area had been clarified more clearly since the good friday agreement and that this bought out more facts. How well those have spread through society pass.

I have always wondered how Ireland in total would come out when Brexit cropped up.