A Blatant Lie by BJ about Trade between NI and GB.

[Scarlet Pimpernel]

The NI Protocol difficulties were well documented prior to BJ signing the Agreement on 24 December.

Jess Sargeant
12 November 2020

The protocol may have negative impacts on Northern Ireland consumers
The protocol requires Northern Ireland to apply EU law in certain areas, like customs, product standards and agriculture. This means new checks and paperwork for goods arriving from Great Britain;
https://www.instituteforgovernment.org.uk/blog/eu-flexibility-northern-ireland-protocol
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[Vinty]

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[Vinty]

yes it is



Another blatant lie by vinty.

In political science, a colony is a territory subject to a form of foreign rule.[1

 

[Vinty]

So run the referendum

What referendum?

 

[JohnD]

vinty continues to try to justify his lies

N. I. remains part of the EU

not true.

it now a colony of the EU.

not true.

 

[Vinty]

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[Scarlet Pimpernel]

What referendum?

The unification of Ireland. Sorry, the re-unification of Ireland.

 

[Vinty]

But to complain about the BJ's version of Brexit is pointless, it's done and dusted, and talk of breaking the Agreement is silly

BJ and the EU need to learn the lessons of history.
Harold Wilson tried to subvert democracy and force the people of N. I. to accept the rule of a foreign state and he ended up with a bloody nose.

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"The fifteen unprecedented, historic days in which a million British citizens, the Protestants of Northern Ireland, staged what amounted to a rebellion against the Crown and won... During those fifteen days, for the first time in over fifty years... a section of the realm became totally ungovernable. A self-elected provisional government of Protestant power workers, well-armed private armies and extreme politicians organized a strike which almost broke up the fabric of civilized life in Ulster. They deprived most of the population for much of the time of food, water, electricity, gas, transport, money and any form of livelihood." — journalist Robert Fisk, in his book "The Point of No Return: The Strike Which Broke the British in Ulster.

The EU needs to wind its neck in, they have been conned by the RoI into believing that they can do what they like in N. I. without the consent of the inhabitants.

 

[Scarlet Pimpernel]

BJ and the EU need to learn the lessons of history.
Harold Wilson tried to subvert democracy and force the people of N. I. to accept the rule of a foreign state and he ended up with a bloody nose.

Quote

"The fifteen unprecedented, historic days in which a million British citizens, the Protestants of Northern Ireland, staged what amounted to a rebellion against the Crown and won... During those fifteen days, for the first time in over fifty years... a section of the realm became totally ungovernable. A self-elected provisional government of Protestant power workers, well-armed private armies and extreme politicians organized a strike which almost broke up the fabric of civilized life in Ulster. They deprived most of the population for much of the time of food, water, electricity, gas, transport, money and any form of livelihood." — journalist Robert Fisk, in his book "The Point of No Return: The Strike Which Broke the British in Ulster.

The EU needs to wind its neck in, they have been conned by the RoI into believing that they can do what they like in N. I. without the consent of the inhabitants.

Are you referring to this event:

In May 1974, ... Wilson condemned the Unionist-controlled Ulster Workers Council Strike as a "sectarian strike", which was "being done for sectarian purposes having no relation to this century but only to the seventeenth century". He refused to pressure a reluctant British Army to face down the loyalist paramilitaries who were intimidating utility workers. In a televised speech later, he referred to the loyalist strikers and their supporters as "spongers" who expected Britain to pay for their lifestyles. The strike was eventually successful in breaking the power-sharing Northern Ireland executive.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Harold_Wilson
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So was the objective of the strike by loyalists to end the power-sharing agreement?
I guess the DUP loyalists have a history of breaking agreements, so they'll be happy with BJ breaking the WA and the NI Protocol.

I'm intrigued, though, how can a loyalist rebellion be against the crown?

Edit: The Power Sharing Agreement, aka NI Executive had lasted barely a few months before loyalists sought to end it. I guess DUP Loyalists are content to resort to terrorism in order to achieve their aims.

A power-sharing Northern Ireland Executive was formed following the Northern Ireland Assembly elections of 1973. The executive served as the devolved government of Northern Ireland from 1 January 1974 until its collapse on 28 May 1974.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Executive_of_the_1974_Northern_Ireland_Assembly#:~:text=A power-sharing Northern Ireland,collapse on 28 May 1974.​

 

[Scarlet Pimpernel]

What referendum?

I was forgetting DUP were opposed to the Belfast (Good Friday) Agreement.

It campaigned against the Sunningdale Agreement of 1973, the Anglo-Irish Agreement of 1985, and the Good Friday Agreement of 1998.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Democratic_Unionist_Party​

 

[ajohn]

There is another way of looking at current problems. There are rules.Most countries have some and they are enforced by what is broadly speaking called customs and excises. They don't set the rules they just enforce them. Past that government one way or the other sets what's what. They are the cause of the problem.

 

[fixitflav]

There was an article in a paper a while back about why politicians lie - because voters don't want the truth. ("They" doesn't of course mean everybody in the country or everybody on this forum.)

They want low taxes but a high level of public service

They don’t want to look after their elderly relatives, as they do in eg Spain and Italy, but they’re damned if they’re going to give up inheriting the family home to fund state provision

They don’t want to do low-paid jobs in health and social care, hospitality or agriculture, but don’t like immigrants coming here to do those jobs instead

They want the state to fund their children’s higher education and their commute by rail, and pay them good pensions for 20 or more years after they retire

They want to feel safe and secure, but don’t want to pay for more police or armed services

They hate every new bypass except the one that benefits their village

They want more houses, wind farms, prisons and railways – only not near where they live

They want unlimited free healthcare, while consuming quantities of food and booze that will make them ill

And so on. Good luck to the deathwish candidate who tells those truths to the electorate.

 

[JohnD]

well-armed private armies

terrorists.

vinty likes terrorists.

 

[ajohn]

There was an article in a paper a while back about why politicians lie - because voters don't want the truth.

There is a contra list as well. It starts with the need to get elected but some of the rest of your post is correct. A 2nd one in the contra list is getting to do what they want to do. A 3rd is making things look better than they may be in real terms.

 

[Vinty]

Are you referring to this event:

Wilson let myself down,when the pressure got to him he blurted out his hatred for Ulsters protestants.
His rants about protestants were comical, it was the IRA and it's supporters in the Irish government who were pressuring Wilson to to use the British army to suppress a legitimate strike.
The head of British Army operations in Ulster told Wilson bluntly that in the UK we don't shoot people for going on strike.

Wilson was also under surveillance by MI5 as a suspected communist.