It means what it says on the label, if they can't get their way through discussion then they will through violence, this applies to so called legitimate as well as so called illegal bodies, governments, terrorists etc.david and julie said:Just curious but what does this comment actually mean?kendor said:So So True! unfortunately these days. bit like if i can't get my own way in discussions i'll bomb the hell out of you to get my way.Damocles said:Written words can only protect you so far before it comes to the sword.
kendor said:if they can't get their way through discussion then they will through violence, this applies to so called legitimate as well as so called illegal bodies, governments, terrorists etc.
Is that sad because what i said is correct or sad that it was me saying itFWL_Engineer said:kendor said:if they can't get their way through discussion then they will through violence, this applies to so called legitimate as well as so called illegal bodies, governments, terrorists etc.
The sad reality is that Kendor is spot on with this observation.....
But surely the goal is not about getting your OWN way but making it work for all?david and julie said:Or is it sad because we are being sold the EU on the grounds it will keep the peace? Surely the more voices the more chance of not getting your own way?
If its not about getting your own way how come the appointed commission can do what they like and why does the constitution not seek to change this anomoly?But surely the goal is not about getting your OWN way but making it work for all?
Has this been put to the test yet between memberstates? I don't remember any issues that were bad enough to effect peace between members anyway. You say they have kept the peace but what have they actually done to this end.The EU has rather a good record of keeping the peace.
Damocles said:You don't get it, do you? America is out for America's interests. It is one single country made up of well integrated states. All the states are in the same region of the world if not neighbouring each other. The states all agreed to this because they saw quite plainly it was in their best interest to join together to stand up to the rest of the world.
European countries have a long tradition of independance, though some have been more successful at this than others. We are all seen by the US as its rivals. It much prefers we should be divided between ourselves (though adhering to the American outlook on things). Did someone say it was American policy that the UN should be reformed with only one permanent member of the security council? Guess who. They do not merely say this because they want it, but because they think it a realistic reflection of world power. I think it time to change that.
Within living memory quite a few EU states were involved in killing several million citizens of different states. This kind of behaviour frequently affects peace between those states for many generations ahead. In fact Europe has been at war throughout recorded history. Notably much reduced in the last 50 years.
I don't know did someone, other than you, say this? I haven't heard it before any chance of a link to the article?Did someone say it was American policy that the UN should be reformed with only one permanent member of the security council? Guess who.
This is another perfect example of one of your claptrap answers to a straightforward question. I will repeat the question for you which was about the oft made comment regarding the EU preserving the peace in Europe since its inception.Within living memory quite a few EU states were involved in killing several million citizens of different states. This kind of behaviour frequently affects peace between those states for many generations ahead. In fact Europe has been at war throughout recorded history. Notably much reduced in the last 50 years.
I also said this, but you never replied.Has this been put to the test yet between memberstates? I don't remember any issues that were bad enough to effect peace between members anyway. You say they have kept the peace but what have they actually done to this end.
Can I take it you Europhiles would of been happy if the UK had been become an American state under false pretences then?
You said it above the appointed commission, that's why they do whatever they deem necessary in order to achieve the goal. whereas the above OWN way applies to the populus.david and julie said:If its not about getting your own way how come the appointed commission can do what they like and why does the constitution not seek to change this anomoly?But surely the goal is not about getting your OWN way but making it work for all?
You said it above the appointed commission, that's why they do whatever they deem necessary in order to achieve the goal. whereas the above OWN way applies to the populus.
Tad condescending this Jim if you don't mind my saying, whether one agrees or disagrees with a comment has no bearing on a persons intelligence. As a matter of interest you said you didn't wholeheartedly agree with the Engineer, then offered no explanation as to why you didn't fully agree though. It is wrong for you decide what is intelligent and what is not, that is only your opinion. For all you know the poster may be far and above your own knowledge on a given subject. All opinions and comments are valid but can be ignored if you wish. There are several on here that I often disagree with but I don't consider them or their posts to be of lesser intelligence or value, they just have a different opinion to me, thats all.I have just read all of this thread, well the intelligent stuff anyway, and I am intrigued.