A personality Disorder

[Brigadier]

I'm of the opinion if the crime is heinous enough, even if it can be proved mental illness/episode was a contributing factor, the perpetrator should still be locked up for life due to the crime itself.

IMHO, the sentence should be made up of four elements:

- deterrent
- punishment
- protection of society and the law-abiding
- rehabilitation

(in no particular order).

The "punishment" aspect will probably be judged as either essential, or as "below decent societal norms", depending on your particular point-of-view.

So that leaves "deterrent", "the good of others", and "rehab."

"Deterrent" has been shown, time and again, to be of limited value. Might this be associated with some sort of mental issue?


"The good of others"; for me, this is the majority of the purpose of sentencing.
Keep the scrotes and miscreants away, for the betterment of the rest of our lives.

"Rehab."; a lot to unpack there. Perhaps a whole other thread's worth.

 

[Deleted member 294929]

And the ones who don't claim to, also have them.

Exactly

 

[Deleted member 294929]

Still a mental disorder though, however fleeting or "curious ".

Adolf Hitler, Fred West, any nutter who would do such harm to innocent people as a

mental disorder

 

[diy_fun_uk]

IMHO, the sentence should be made up of four elements:

- deterrent
- punishment
- protection of society and the law-abiding
- rehabilitation

(in no particular order).

The "punishment" aspect will probably be judged as either essential, or as "below decent societal norms", depending on your particular point-of-view.

So that leaves "deterrent", "the good of others", and "rehab."

"Deterrent" has been shown, time and again, to be of limited value. Might this be associated with some sort of mental issue?


"The good of others"; for me, this is the majority of the purpose of sentencing.
Keep the scrotes and miscreants away, for the betterment of the rest of our lives.

"Rehab."; a lot to unpack there. Perhaps a whole other thread's worth.

I broadly agree with your four elements, however to me rehabilitation should become less important or take on a different form for certain crimes. If someone's serving a sentence for holding up a bank (in which no one was directly hurt) that person should of course receive rehabilitation as part of their sentence with a view to them hopefully not committing crime when they're released. If that same person shot and killed let's say two innocent bank employees because they wouldn't give access to cash, to me they should receive a whole life tariff. Their 'rehabilitation' would be geared towards trying to ensure they were more compliant as a prisoner. However it wouldn't be linked in any way to release.

I also get fed up with the narrative, even if the facts back it up, that longer sentences don't act as a deterrent. Some advocate lower (or no) sentences. I say whether it deters or not, if a crime is serious enough, longer sentencing should be maintained. Why? If nothing else to ensure justice for the victim has been served.

I wonder how many people would still support shorter sentences if they or their nearest/dearest was the victim?

In summary and when referring to heinous crimes, the victim/s should be front and centre of sentencing, not the welfare of the perpetrator.

 

[transam]

Retribution is the order of the day imo

 

[Brigadier]

I also get fed up with the narrative, even if the facts back it up, that longer sentences don't act as a deterrent

Eh?

If it is backed up by the facts, is it "the narrative"?
Or just the truth?

 

[Vinty]

A Judge once said "We don't hang people for stealing horses, we hang them to stop horses being stolen".
There is no deterrent anymore.

Family with young child forced to fight off machete attack in restaurant

Karim Salme smashed crockery, threw chairs and attacked people at random

www-mylondon-news.cdn.ampproject.org

People who run around with machetes should get 10 years at the very minimum.

 

[Brigadier]

There is no deterrent anymore.

In your opinion.

In my opinion, there are some people who will not be deterred, full stop.


If you are seeking a cast-iron, absolutely-guaranteed solution to law-breaking, you'll be sorely disappointed.

 

[transam]

A Judge once said "We don't hang people for stealing horses, we hang them to stop horses being stolen".
There is no deterrent anymore.

Family with young child forced to fight off machete attack in restaurant

Karim Salme smashed crockery, threw chairs and attacked people at random

www-mylondon-news.cdn.ampproject.org

People who run around with machetes should get 10 years at the very minimum.

That bloke should be shot on sight failing that fast track him through the system ( weeks) guilty no doubt

there after bumped off with in a fortnight

Problem solved simples

 

[noseall]

A Judge once said "We don't hang people for stealing horses, we hang them to stop horses being stolen".
There is no deterrent anymore.

You mean they hung innocent folk?

 

[diy_fun_uk]

Eh?

If it is backed up by the facts, is it "the narrative"?
Or just the truth?

Narratives can be factual

You're welcome.

 

[Brigadier]

Narratives can be factual

You're welcome.

Can.

You too.

 

[Deleted member 294929]

You mean they hung innocent folk?

They hung the dead ones.

 

[Odds]

What kind of 'disorder' would you say this is...

A "devil worshipper" who allegedly ate his wife's brain in tacos and used her skull as an ashtray after killing her, has been arrested in Mexico.

[email protected]

 

[Deleted member 294929]

What kind of 'disorder' would you say this is...

A "devil worshipper" who allegedly ate his wife's brain in tacos and used her skull as an ashtray after killing her, has been arrested in Mexico.

[email protected]

That's a really fůçķèð brain .