Albanians and crime a real problem.

But why is it the UK's responsibility to provide an easy way for a criminal to appeal? Is it not the responsibility of the criminal? They are the ones who did the criminal act after all, nobody made them do it.
Except the ones who did not do the crime, and deserve every right of appeal (e.g. Windrush, not deported for criminal activity).
The government's policy did not simply make it hard to appeal from abroad, it made it more or less impossible, as the decision of the Supreme Court shows.

If they cannot find the money to appeal then don't do the crime? Don't do the crime if not willing to take the consequences.
Except for the ones who did not do "the crime".
Some are deported by mistake (the government's mistake) but are being denied the right of appeal.
It is not as simple as brigadier thinks, using Skype etc to discuss your case with lawyers.
You need to find a lawyer, in the first place that specialises in such cases, is willing to take your case, has the resources to do so, and is willing to rely on your ability to pay, possibly from compensation, if it is ever forthcoming. If the decision is reversed, there is rarely compensation as well. And the deportee must find the finance to resume their life in UK.
Usually, when people are deported, especially having spent the vast majority of their life in the UK, having lost their job, maybe their house, etc, they are penniless.
 
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I think they are two different things. One is wanting to belong to a group for social reasons, the other is wanting to make money from drugs.
I saw something on a BBC documentary that a lot of this gangs start off with kids wanting to belong before they end up moving onto crime.. it's not something that is instant, or an instant decision to want to make money from drugs. I presumed it was stemming from the same feeling of wanting to be in a gang, or being enticed with gifts, a sense of safety from other gangs, a new family etc.

Just found this, quite interesting if you wanna read?
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/...sted-young-younger-heroin-crack-a7826551.html
 
Except the ones who did not do the crime, and deserve every right of appeal (e.g. Windrush, not deported for criminal activity).
The government's policy did not simply make it hard to appeal from abroad, it made it more or less impossible, as the decision of the Supreme Court shows.


Except for the ones who did not do "the crime".
Some are deported by mistake (the government's mistake) but are being denied the right of appeal.
It is not as simple as brigadier thinks, using Skype etc to discuss your case with lawyers.
You need to find a lawyer, in the first place that specialises in such cases, is willing to take your case, has the resources to do so, and is willing to rely on your ability to pay, possibly from compensation, if it is ever forthcoming. If the decision is reversed, there is rarely compensation as well. And the deportee must find the finance to resume their life in UK.
Usually, when people are deported, especially having spent the vast majority of their life in the UK, having lost their job, maybe their house, etc, they are penniless.
Those who didn't do the crime? We're talking about convicted criminals. Not windrush or nowt.
 
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Those who didn't do the crime? We're talking about convicted criminals. Not windrush or nowt.
We are talking about those being deported not having the right of appeal until after they have been deported.
The Joint Council for the Welfare of Immigrants welcomed the ruling and said last December the government extended the system to immigration cases by “giving itself the right to remove from the UK anybody with a human rights claim before they could exercise their right to appeal”.
from your link.
 
Woody demonstrating his innate racism again.
I thought it was you that said gasbanni was allowed a voice, even though he is inherently racist.

Am I not allowed a voice ?

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I seriously didn't think your comment actually needed a reply. It was that transparent. Who is the numpty? Not just looks like 1 ?

To make sense of this thread I thought I'd unignore people and it's jabberYafogob that's upsetting people. Interestingly you say I'm inherently racist.
Let's say for arguments sake I am, where is your evidence ? It's a fair question isn't it ? You will have my full Co operation you can research my posts and I give you my word I will answer honestly any questions you ask ......but please don't assume that being against mass immigration means I'm a racist.
Are these people racist ?........


It's a strange attitude that some people have that they believe anti Mass immigration means you're a racist.
Knowsnowt learnt his lesson well when he made the mistake of saying I was against brown faces .........Some of them with Black and brow faces would take exception to me being called a racist because I'm obviously not. A new black associate who I've had some great converations with in the last few weeks who told me Africans and Asians are racist towards him also told me if I have any troube he's at my side. A very strange thing for a black guy to say to a racist.
 
Greece is in the EU, here in Zante there are loads of bent banans. I'm eating one now.(y)

I wouldnt eat those dodgy bent Greek bananas, they dont conform to EU standards, theres an awful risk they may contain some flavour
 
Delicious. I've moved on to a bokkle of Mythos

just remember Noseall you are an ambassador for your country

yep tis true . Try and make an effort :idea: & not come up to expectations :LOL::LOL:

Incidentally you sure you got on the correct plane ? Piste in Greece o_O
 
Interestingly you say I'm inherently racist.
Let's say for arguments sake I am, where is your evidence ? It's a fair question isn't it ? You will have my full Co operation you can research my posts and I give you my word I will answer honestly any questions you ask ......but please don't assume that being against mass immigration means I'm a racist.
That is an easy one.
You cannot explain your position without demonising immigrants.
Your whole argument relies on demonising immigrants to propagate your politics.
Even mightygob would have to agree to that! (see below, from the Farage's poster thread, and I am applauding you for your comments, not criticising!)
As for you answering questions honestly...... I will put you in the same category as a**e end and bishbosh, racists are inherently deceitful.
They are either deceiving themselves, or they are trying to deceive others.

As anyone ever met anyone who was racist, and they have openly admitted their racism?
As anyone ever met anyone who was sexist, and they have openly admitted their sexism?
etc........

And that poster was from many a person who were desperately seeking safety and yes, a better life. People who'd lost their home, their jobs, family members and everything they held dear because of war.
People should remember it's not just a bunch of 'freeloaders'. Perhaps a bit of empathy or at least understanding towards those who have lost everything wouldn't go amiss.

There have been plenty of women and children. You are just choosing what to see.
I'd want to leave that too, as fast as my legs could carry me, wouldn't you?

https://www.unicef.org.uk/child-refugees-europe/
Just in one year there were 25,000 children who arrived in Italy alone, not including any of those who arrive with relatives.
Refugees. Not economic migrants.

I am using my eyes. Read Gas, don't rely on propaganda videos for all your information. Get a broader view before you tell things as facts! That's 25,000 unaccompanied children as I said, not all children.
This website, save the children, says at the bottom that worldwide there are 22.5 million refugees, half of those are children who are trying to escape conflict, violence and persecution.
That's an awful lot of children isn't it?

There are very few people that can and do discuss immigration without demonising the immigrants.
Almost without exception, the problems apparently caused by immigration are not the cause of immigration, but the lack of government (not just UK) policy to deal with sufficient resources.
Take a silly (but horrifyingly real) scenario in other countries: refugee camps - place thousands (even hundreds of thousands) of refugees in makeshift camps without water, food, clothing, sewerage, medicine, work, income, etc, and what are the expected problems?
Pretty obvious!
Put those same people in proper accommodation, with proper access to the basic resources that we take for granted and the problems associated with poverty, sickness, disease, etc would simply not arise.

Even better, prevent the need for migration in the first place!
And yes, western society is as guilty as anyone of producing the need for migration by their policies (political, economic and military, historically and current) towards other parts of the world.

It is not the fault of the immigrants who find themselves in situations they would prefer to avoid.
 
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Your whole argument relies on demonising immigrants to propagate your politics.

Yes, but your whole argument relies on demonising anybody that dares to raise concerns about immigration and instantly refers to such people as far right zenophobic racists. You dont want an open honest discussion all you want is to shut down any useful discussion because you are driven by some desire to take the moral high ground to make yourself look good, not for any desire to find any solution.

How useful do you think your approach actually is?
 
Yes, but your whole argument relies on demonising anybody that dares to raise concerns about immigration and instantly refers to such people as far right zenophobic racists. You dont want an open honest discussion
It has been proven many times:
There are very few people that can and do discuss immigration without demonising the immigrants.
Gasbag's (and others) whole argument rely on demonising immigrants.
When people cannot discuss the situation without demonising immigrants, then they deserve to receive the treatment that they enjoy dishing out to others.

It is fair and correct to describe an immigrant as an immigrant. Similarly, it is fair and correct to describe a racist as a racist.
It is not an insult, it is a fair description. If the recipient considers it as an insult, and they do not wish to be described as a racist, they need to adjust their behaviour.
If I drop litter and someone described me as a litter bug, I would need to adjust my behaviour to avoid being described as a litter bug.
Simples!
 
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