All aboard!

[Roy Bloom]

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Forget who did what wrong, failures here, failures there. Where do we house these people today, now?

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Migrant enthusiasts need to think on and try and apply a little common sense to what they are wishing for.

If the asylum process worked like it should, the majority of asylum seekers would be either settled, working ang suppporting themselves, or they'd be refused asylum and returned.

But the current government prefer to delay the applications indefintely until the numbers have reached crisis point, and they can use that as dog whistle headlines.

 

[denso13]

Migrant enthusiasts need to think on and try and apply a little common sense to what they are wishing for.

I don't think anyone is a migrant enthusiast just for the sake of it.

If any of the 600,000 you mention don't have any right to be there then they shouldn't be here. Why are the government allowing the situation to continue?.

nd if th Do-Gooders get there way and make migration simple and easy

Again, leaving the insults to one side, I don't think anyone is saying that at all. It should be quicker, yes, whatever the decision is. Kicking the can down the road is purely the governments fault.

 

[Munroast]

You're being hysterical and disingenuous, Munroast.
The percentage of asylum seekers arriving by boat is about 3.8% of all immigrants.
"In 2022, 45,755 people arrived in the UK by small boat according to government figures. This means small boats arrivals amount to 3.8% of overall immigration to the UK which was 1.2 million in 2022. "

What is the Illegal Migration Act?

What the Illegal Migration Act means for refugees and asylum seekers coming to the UK.

www.rescue.org

3.8% of all immigrants makes you figure of 600,000 look hysterically ridiculous.
Even if we took 3.8% of total immigration it is still only about 45,000, still making your figure of 600,000 looking disingenuous.
Now if we look at your comparison for new cities, the population of Glasgow was about 1,200,000, double your ridiculous, imagined, quoted figure for the annual arrival of boat people. Leeds has over 800,000 people.

Even your ridiculous figures look even sillier against actual data.

I suggest you take a lesson from Farage. At least his comments have a tiny fraction of credibility about them.

And you suggest that those who display some humanity towards asylum seekers need some common sense?

Whether they are coming by boat train or plane, net migration for 2022 is estimated to be around 600,000 -
Therefor the basic infrastructure of the UK needs to expand to accommodate that amount of people, and that is a lot more than just building a few homes

The population of Glasgow city is around 600,000 people - indeed if you add on the towns that surround Glasgow and you will get to a much higher number, but Glasgow City is deemed to be just over the figure I gave.

 

[Munroast]

While we're at it, how about a limit of 1 child per family too, until the Tories get back on top of things?

We're in a colossal mess in this country and I doubt any gov has a hope in hell of getting on top of anything. We're going down the pan one way or another.

My earlier post was not particularly an anti migrant rant (although admittedly I am anti-migrant) it was more a look at the ridiculousness of the situation, the ludicrous concept that we can create a new large city every single year for the foreseeable future. Yes I know new cities would not be created, existent cities would just expand, but same thing all the infrastructure needs to expand too. It can't be done.

We have lost our way as a society. A substantial part of the population don't start work until they are in their 20s and expect to retire in their 50s, then continue to live until they are 90. Can one worker really support two who arn't ? Then there is the significant minority who never work, claim health problems and live their lives on the backs of others. We don't have enough workers!

So yes we do need the migration, but migrants soon take a leaf out of our book and why shouldn't they?, they too can retire early and or live on benefits, after all it is the example we have set them. So we will soon be needing more migrants to look after and support the earlier migrants - Our strategy is clearly going to fail at some point.

As to your 1 child per family comment. This is another darwin moment we seem to be going through. The more intelligent and more successful someone is, the more likelihood they will have very few children if any. We may in a few generations be a country of people either incapable of work or not very good at it.

The future is bleak - and that is before we take into the utter mess we have made of our climate.

 

[Roy Bloom]

Whether they are coming by boat train or plane, net migration for 2022 is estimated to be around 600,000 -
Therefor the basic infrastructure of the UK needs to expand to accommodate that amount of people, and that is a lot more than just building a few homes

The population of Glasgow city is around 600,000 people - indeed if you add on the towns that surround Glasgow and you will get to a much higher number, but Glasgow City is deemed to be just over the figure I gave.

It's utterly obvious to even the most blinkered people, that the vast majority are students on visas, and other documented immigrants that have homes to go to and family or employers to support them. So they don't need any assistance.
So why the oppressive and undeserved focus on boat refugees? The proportion of immigrants who number a mere 3.8% of the total.
Is it a case of attacking the low hanging fruit? Or intentionally stirring up hatred against a vulnerable group?

The City of London has a resident population of just about 10,000.
So if I referred to a city the size of London, when I really meant the City of London, I would be intentionally disingenous.

 

[Roy Bloom]

We're in a colossal mess in this country and I doubt any gov has a hope in hell of getting on top of anything. We're going down the pan one way or another.

My earlier post was not particularly an anti migrant rant (although admittedly I am anti-migrant) it was more a look at the ridiculousness of the situation, the ludicrous concept that we can create a new large city every single year for the foreseeable future. Yes I know new cities would not be created, existent cities would just expand, but same thing all the infrastructure needs to expand too. It can't be done.

We have lost our way as a society. A substantial part of the population don't start work until they are in their 20s and expect to retire in their 50s, then continue to live until they are 90. Can one worker really support two who arn't ? Then there is the significant minority who never work, claim health problems and live their lives on the backs of others. We don't have enough workers!

So yes we do need the migration, but migrants soon take a leaf out of our book and why shouldn't they?, they too can retire early and or live on benefits, after all it is the example we have set them. So we will soon be needing more migrants to look after and support the earlier migrants - Our strategy is clearly going to fail at some point.

As to your 1 child per family comment. This is another darwin moment we seem to be going through. The more intelligent and more successful someone is, the more likelihood they will have very few children if any. We may in a few generations be a country of people either incapable of work or not very good at it.

The future is bleak - and that is before we take into the utter mess we have made of our climate.

You're still being hysterical
The population density of UK is just 276 people per kilometre square.
Whereas the density of England is 434 people per kilmetre square.

But you are right, the infrastructure needs to expand. For that to happen the UK economy needs to grow. For that to happen the working population needs to grow, ad infinitum. To delay the processing of asylum applications and prevent the working population from growing is foolhardy and counter-productive. But that is what the UK government have done over the last ten years.

And then there will be the effect on the climate to be considered. As you mentioned.
The worst is yet to come.

We're doomed, doomed I tell you.
Unless we pull our finger out and do something constructive instead of looking for scapegoats all the time.

 

[Roy Bloom]

... (although admittedly I am anti-migrant) ...

We have lost our way as a society.

I wonder how many self proclaimed anti-migrant people (self proclaimed and closet anti-immigrant people) could look someone in the eyes, and refuse to rescue them from peril.

If people can ignore others that need help, and just walk on by, then we, as a race, have lost our way.

 

[JP_]

The whole crisis is manufactured by the government so they can blame them on all its failings.

We have fewer asylum seekers than 20 years ago. It's the same reason our roads are falling apart, NHS in crisis, police not catching criminals, schools struggling to hire teachers, nurses and doctors on strike, train companies on strike, shops closing etc. etc. etc. The government is stealing tax payers money, again. Just like the last time. Why do people keep voting for the thieving tories?

 

[Munroast]

I wonder how many self proclaimed anti-migrant people (self proclaimed and closet anti-immigrant people) could look someone in the eyes, and refuse to rescue them from peril.

If people can ignore others that need help, and just walk on by, then we, as a race, have lost our way.

as far as the boat lot go, they were not in danger or in Peril when they set off from France. So I would be more than happy to look them in the eye and say NO you can't come in.

It's utterly obvious to even the most blinkered people, that the vast majority are students on visas, and other documented immigrants that have homes to go to and family or employers to support them. So they don't need any assistance.

Its "NET" migration, so clearly they are staying here and as such they will undoubtedly need somewhere to live. And if they are graduates then they are more than welcome to stay from me. As I have acknowledged at this moment we need some inward migration, so lets have good-uns, a mixture of both sexes. Rather than the vast gangs of men barging their way in, demand this that and the other. With their scripted stories from lawyers of how they are refugees.

You're still being hysterical
The population density of UK is just 276 people per kilometre square.
Whereas the density of England is 434 people per kilmetre square.

Far too many, we can't even feed ourselves - a nation should at least be able to do that. At a sustainable level the UK can support around 20 million, we're over triple that. And that is before we consider we are one of the most wildlife depleted countries on the planet.

 

[JP_]

so clearly they are staying here and as such they will undoubtedly need somewhere to live

In most cases, the migration is legal. Often ex-pats returning to the UK. Sometimes students coming to study.

The top countries migrating to the UK are, in order of largest to smallest:

India
Poland
Pakistan
Ireland
Germany
Romania
Nigreria
South Africa
Italy
China

No arab countries in that list. No war-torn counties. All legal.

If you think there are too many migrants you need to find a solution for the labour shortage first. Then complain when unemployment starts to rise.
Until then, we're just moaning about a minority of refugees while ignoring the real problems.

 

[Roy Bloom]

as far as the boat lot go, they were not in danger or in Peril when they set off from France. So I would be more than happy to look them in the eye and say NO you can't come in.

Ah, you're in the NIMBY group. You believe every other country should bear the burden. But not the UK!

Its "NET" migration, so clearly they are staying here and as such they will undoubtedly need somewhere to live. And if they are graduates then they are more than welcome to stay from me. As I have acknowledged at this moment we need some inward migration, so lets have good-uns, a mixture of both sexes. Rather than the vast gangs of men barging their way in, demand this that and the other. With their scripted stories from lawyers of how they are refugees.

The government refuse to take student visas out of the data, distorting that data.
The government also have no idea how many visa-overstayers there are.
But they still focus on the 3.8%. And the anti-foreigners follow the dog whistle headlines.

Far too many, we can't even feed ourselves - a nation should at least be able to do that. At a sustainable level the UK can support around 20 million, we're over triple that. And that is before we consider we are one of the most wildlife depleted countries on the planet.

If self sufficiency of food was the criteria, you'd have to volunteer to emigrate. Or be prepared to reduce your diet to just a few items.
Then there's all the other consumer items.
Which ones are you prepared to go without?

 

[fillyboy]

If self sufficiency of food was the criteria, you'd have to volunteer to emigrate. Or be prepared to reduce your diet to just a few items.
Then there's all the other consumer items.
Which ones are you prepared to go without?

Notch has given up tomatoes.

 

[Harry Bloomfield]

Tell me those that are complaining, where should the immigrant's be stored during processing?

Well, I lived for many years in a shoebox, alongside the M1..

 

[Roy Bloom]

Notch has given up tomatoes.

He'd have to give up tea, coffee, chocolate, rice, most fruits, etc.
Then there's the organic materials that are used in manufacture.
Of course changes in climate and unusual weather changes can destroy the nations crops in any one year.

 

[Odds]

Well, I lived for many years in a shoebox, alongside the M1..

You were lucky...