Another way to get money out of us

[johnny2007]

It makes my blood boil for all those children being taught with the taxes that I pay.
All those OAP's using their free bus pass, all those who have never worked or can't work, thay should all be denied access to public services.
And as for prisoners being kept B&B by my taxes, they should all be chucked out of their cell until they start paying their taxes.

Don't twist reality.
Those people you mention deserve full support from society.
I am referring to the leeches who do not work because they don't want to.
And with regards to prisoners, instead of treating them like Hollywood stars, make them do hard labour and see how the cells will naturally get empty.

 

[crystal ball]

Don't twist reality.
Those people you mention deserve full support from society.
I am referring to the leeches who do not work because they don't want to.
And with regards to prisoners, instead of treating them like Hollywood stars, make them do hard labour and see how the cells will naturally get empty.

Lots of prisoners do work, the prison not far from me has an arable farm and a sewing factory, also working parties are despatched to do jobs in the area
Don't twist reality

 

[JohnD]

I don't know.

I did think we might get a wood burner if fuel continued to rocket in price.

Perhaps you would do better to buy a clean-burning Multifuel stove, and burn only clean dry material in it. Which is not prohibited.

Not the same thing.

 

[Ivor Windybottom]

We moved house due to the log burning fad, the air was like Victorian London in a valley surrounded by fashion slaves. This was in an area with mains gas too, before the price hikes.

I can appreciate the drive to save money, but these things shorten lives. Wood smoke is vastly worse than diesel fumes, however well dried it is and however posh the stove. Plus a car drives past and buggers off, neighbours with stoves sit outside your windows for ever.

Good to see some sense starting to return with these stupid things.

 

[Roy Bloom]

Don't twist reality.

I was following your lead.

There are many cases of people not paying tax and using services, just as there are people paying taxes and not using the services.
You can't decide who is eleigible and who shouldn't eligible,
There are rules and regulations governing such issues.
Johnny2007 is not the arbiter of who uses services and who pays taxes.

 

[johnny2007]

Lots of prisoners do work, the prison not far from me has an arable farm and a sewing factory, also working parties are despatched to do jobs in the area
Don't twist reality

Reality is that the majority of prisoners do sod all for all their stay.
Zero contribution to society.
The few who do work are the very small minority.
I have been a volunteer for the church meeting prisoners for most of my life.

 

[johnny2007]

I was following your lead.

There are many cases of people not paying tax and using services, just as there are people paying taxes and not using the services.
You can't decide who is eleigible and who shouldn't eligible,
There are rules and regulations governing such issues.
Johnny2007 is not the arbiter of who who uses services and who pays taxes.

Never said I am the "arbiter" of who uses services.
"Arbiter"... you're up to your old tricks with the thesaurus, Himmy

 

[Roy Bloom]

Free for anyone not paying taxes.
The blood sucker leeches...

They're not free.
You've paid for all of these services through tax.
If nobody paid tax, there would be no services.

Never said I am the "arbiter" of who uses services.

I see, you were expressing your opinion of anyone who does not pay taxes, and you were just expressing the obvious, that if no-one paid tax, there would be no services.

It must be me thinking you were suggesting that those who don't pay tax, should be denied access to the servies.

 

[johnny2007]

(Abuse removed)

 

[SirGalahad]

As per title really . I wonder how they think they are going to sample the quality from chimneys ? Jokers .....

When they dont tax the billionaires then they need to tax you more.

 

[Roy Bloom]

Free for anyone not paying taxes.
The blood sucker leeches...

I am referring to the leeches who do not work because they don't want to.
And with regards to prisoners, instead of treating them like Hollywood stars, make them do hard labour and see how the cells will naturally get empty.

Reality is that the majority of prisoners do sod all for all their stay.
Zero contribution to society.

Do we have to spell out the obvious every single time???
...
Of course children, some disabled and pensioners don't pay taxes.
Anyone on this planet understands this without having to spell it out.

So children, disabled, and pensioners are not blood sucking leeches?

What do you propose we do with all these blood sucking leeches that we currenlty call prisoners? (except the disabled and OAP prisoners, of course)
And don't forget, you're not denying them access to services.

 

[johnny2007]

So children, disabled, and pensioners are not blood sucking leeches?

Of course not, you muppet.
In the normal human conversation we don't need to spell out the obvious, but with you...

What do you propose we do with all these blood sucking leeches that we currenlty call prisoners?

Hard labour, no tv, no early release, no luxury of any kind, basic food similar to a lot of people struggling to pay the bills, no rewards for good behaviour, harsh punishment for bad behaviour, regular drug and alcohol tests and appropriate sanctions if found positive.
The majority of people with their head attached to the body think along the same lines, but then there's you and a very little minority of snowflakes who like anarchy and wish to see prisoners, criminals, treated like royals.
Trust me himmy, you wouldn't be supporting criminals if a rapist released early raped your daughter, wife, mum sister, etc.
People like you always think to be above the rest and nothing bad will ever happen to you.
If you had it your way the chances of being the victim of crime would increase by a large margin.

 

[Roy Bloom]

In the normal human conversation we don't need to spell out the obvious, but with you...

I'm just checking who you consider to be "blood sucking leeches".
Eevry time I mention a group of people, you discount them, except for prisoners, who you now consider are the only "blood sucking leeches" included in your original diatribe.
Why didn't you just say so in that diatribe?

Hard labour, no tv, no early release, no luxury of any kind, basic food similar to a lot of people struggling to pay the bills, no rewards for good behaviour, harsh punishment for bad behaviour, regular drug and alcohol tests and appropriate sanctions if found positive.

The usual ill considered suggestions.

What do you mean by "hard labour"? Does this apply to all prisoners? What about any HSE concerns?

No TV? How do you suggest the prisoners occupy their free time?

No Early release? So no inducement for good behaviour? Then the prisoners could play up as they see fit. it won't make any difference to their sentence.

No luxury of any kind? What 'luxuries' would you deny them?

Basic food? How basic?

No rewards foe good behaviour, so no reason to not behave?

Harsh punishment for bad behaviour? Waht do you have in mind?

Drug and alcohol tests for those not using drugs or alcohol? What's the point?

Please try to form an intelligent response, and not resort to a diatribe of nonsense.

 

[wobs]

As per title really . I wonder how they think they are going to sample the quality from chimneys ? Jokers .....

If someone is causing enough smoke as to be a nuisance, it will be visible smoke. Using a modern Defra compliant stove, using dried clean wood should be fine (and won't get fined).

 

[ajohn]

If we all burn wood for heat we would run out of it pretty quickly and there is no way of avoiding the CO2 other than storing it locally.