Okay, let's assume that god set up the universe to follow the laws , a bit like the clockwork watch if you like. Mechanism working ,in balance etc. ie park the origin of the universe for a moment. What has he done since then-is god interventionist or totally laissez-faire?
Okay, let's assume that god set up the universe to follow the laws , a bit like the clockwork watch if you like. Mechanism working ,in balance etc. ie park the origin of the universe for a moment. What has he done since then-is god interventionist or totally laissez-faire?
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That introduces the contradiction between freewill and intervention.
Religionists don't like that. You'll be damned to hell.
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Religionists don't like that. You'll be damned to hell.
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You need to stop assuming, it's only your opinion, I hate capital punishment, any violence, torture, death penalty and so on. I do voluntary work for helping disabled people, free house maintenance for people on low income even using my own money to help when I can and according to you atheists are evil. I take my mother to church on Sunday and do know that most of them would not help anybody.
I don't feel religions get in the way of modern life, it's mad dysfunctional people whether they're religious or not. I don't have any problem with your views or whatever makes you happy. My opinion is, deep down we are all confused and people need to stop blaming each other, it's mad dysfunctional people!
My apologies. I should have asked for evidence outside of the USA.
Why, when the subject of capital punishment is raised, does everyone make reference to America.
Americans are unlike any other nation: they are completely mad. Hardly a week goes by without news reports of someone shooting someone else dead. American war films (I refuse to use the word 'movies') invariably feature American 'heroes' fighting each other whenever they are not fighting the Germans or Japanese.
I predict that within a hundred years the Americans will all have died out: they will all have shot each other.
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So as far as evidence of God is concerned, only the unbelievers require it, for them seeing is believing, strangely they also believe in many things that they have not see for themselves and take for guaranteed words of others.
So they do not reject those theories or experiments that scientist conduct and publish the results, which really means we are open to being brainwashed by scientist if they wish to do so, or may already have done so, like for example many people believe moon landing was fake. Though personally I don't have any doubts that man had been to the moon.
Similarly, those who believe in God, do not require any hard evidence as for them their surroundings is more than enough to convince them that something had been responsible for all this creation, things don't just happen without a cause, something caused the universe to be born and all its creation was a grand plan. I personally believe this to be true.
Our scientific community is highly talented, very advance, I would like to see them produce the very basic biological life without borrowing any blue prints of God's creation.
I would like them to start with absolutely Nothing, and then see if they can create a mini big bang, they cannot use any means of help of earthly matter or instruments, they can conduct this experiment in free space in complete vacuum, not on earth, with absolutely nothing, only thing they will be allowed is their life support system, and a space hotel.
So they must produce a small universe, and start a life inside it, they must not allow nature to do anything for them, go from there alone, without using any instruments or materials in creating a biological life.
In other words, they must create their own matter as well as then produce the first single biological cell from thin air (Hydrogen) and they must not use any energy that we generate, like electricity or gas, they must produce their own Hydrogen as well from Nothing.
Then I would believe that God does not exist or is not needed. Then I would accept that we were all mad and stupid, currently those who don't believe look very stupid silly for rejecting a Creator without any evidence or support.
So they do not reject those theories or experiments that scientist conduct and publish the results, which really means we are open to being brainwashed by scientist if they wish to do so, or may already have done so, like for example many people believe moon landing was fake. Though personally I don't have any doubts that man had been to the moon.
Similarly, those who believe in God, do not require any hard evidence as for them their surroundings is more than enough to convince them that something had been responsible for all this creation, things don't just happen without a cause, something caused the universe to be born and all its creation was a grand plan. I personally believe this to be true.
Our scientific community is highly talented, very advance, I would like to see them produce the very basic biological life without borrowing any blue prints of God's creation.
I would like them to start with absolutely Nothing, and then see if they can create a mini big bang, they cannot use any means of help of earthly matter or instruments, they can conduct this experiment in free space in complete vacuum, not on earth, with absolutely nothing, only thing they will be allowed is their life support system, and a space hotel.
So they must produce a small universe, and start a life inside it, they must not allow nature to do anything for them, go from there alone, without using any instruments or materials in creating a biological life.
In other words, they must create their own matter as well as then produce the first single biological cell from thin air (Hydrogen) and they must not use any energy that we generate, like electricity or gas, they must produce their own Hydrogen as well from Nothing.
Then I would believe that God does not exist or is not needed. Then I would accept that we were all mad and stupid, currently those who don't believe look very stupid silly for rejecting a Creator without any evidence or support.
So what created the mystical forces and energy that us your god?
And what if the child you let drown in preference of yoyr cat was on a local school trip?
My little dude cant quite swim yet. He is taken out by the school all the the time. What would you say to my wife if you let our son drown over your cat if she came rushing from home and met you dragging your pathetic being out of the water clutching a cat?
"Sorry love, first come first served"
See, an example alluding to to child child neglect, and gas has happened safly sadly several times in mh memory to other families - sans feline of of course.
Where was Norcon and BnB's almighty saviour then?
And what if the child you let drown in preference of yoyr cat was on a local school trip?
My little dude cant quite swim yet. He is taken out by the school all the the time. What would you say to my wife if you let our son drown over your cat if she came rushing from home and met you dragging your pathetic being out of the water clutching a cat?
"Sorry love, first come first served"
See, an example alluding to to child child neglect, and gas has happened safly sadly several times in mh memory to other families - sans feline of of course.
Where was Norcon and BnB's almighty saviour then?
For all we know, the universe could be a completely natural occurrence (as in obeying the laws of nature and science (as we know it)) My take on the creation of the universe is that the amount of material/energy in the universe has always been there. Who knows? In 100billion years time, the universe might just collapse in on itself, then there's another "big bang" and it starts all over again. In 113billion years time, whatever race evolves in that time might have invented the internet and he very same questions will be asked on a forum. Perhaps the "big bang " has happened many, many times before??
Pour scorn on religion all you want but the fact remains religion has been a greater force for good than evil atheism and its heretic followers will ever be!
My apologies. I should have asked for evidence outside of the USA.
Why, when the subject of capital punishment is raised, does everyone make reference to America.
Americans are unlike any other nation: they are completely mad. Hardly a week goes by without news reports of someone shooting someone else dead. American war films (I refuse to use the word 'movies') invariably feature American 'heroes' fighting each other whenever they are not fighting the Germans or Japanese.
I predict that within a hundred years the Americans will all have died out: they will all have shot each other.
The UK would be just like America if numbnuts like you got your way!
What??? Full of religious nutcases, preaching on TV and asking us to send our blank cheques to them ??
Dan, do you have some friggin vendetta against me?
Let me ask you who you would save first if you saw Your son and someone's son both drowning? which one would you save first?
and in a second scenario, this time two children not related to you were both struggling and One was Black kid, and the other a White kid, which one would you save first?
Doesn't want to load on my tablet B. Might have a look later when I'm bored.
Norcon, you serm to be ignoring my examples of religion causing rather a lot of evil?
Which is of course a rather pointless term. As you know, lots of religionists have perpetrated lots of naughty things over the years that make the Spanish inquisition and vicars using alter boys' buttocks as toast racks seem rather tame.
I could say you're evil for following the same religion. I won't though. Despite ignorance being no defence.
Norcon, you serm to be ignoring my examples of religion causing rather a lot of evil?
Which is of course a rather pointless term. As you know, lots of religionists have perpetrated lots of naughty things over the years that make the Spanish inquisition and vicars using alter boys' buttocks as toast racks seem rather tame.
I could say you're evil for following the same religion. I won't though. Despite ignorance being no defence.
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