Anyone got students? How are they managing the money?

[Justin Passing]

I'm not so sure that would work. Electronics say 20 - 25 years ago. Shortage of engineers so uni's start turning more out and maybe students see it as an attractive option - jobs available and salaries etc. As more come out that changes. A graduate may then find it tricky to get their first job.

Actually going on comments from people we know (wife too) getting a first job appears to be more tricky also not so much graduate and disapear somewhere in the country to a job. More likely to remain with the bank of mom and dad to some extent. There are other factor though.

At least if you do Electronics, say, you'd be ok to train at a place doing something making or configuring or designing technical things. Robotics, electric cars, phones etc.

If you do something which is massively oversubscribed in comparison to the jobs available, like Media studies , or Drama, or Forensic Science, you're down a rabbit hole. FS has a lot of legalese in it which would cross-transfer to anything with Standards to be enforced, but the number of FS specific jobs was never more than "half a dozen" a year.
CSI created false hope.
US style degrees are arguably more sensible, you can "Major" in one thing and pick a Minor(s) and an Elective(s) as speciality or a language etc in what you enjoy and can excel at. Say if you did computer science you could do commerce, graphic design etc.

I wish more kids could do something general than something obscure.

 

[blup]

A Levels - or equivalent - are the most important exam students ever sit, as it determines the course/uni they get into. Go for 2.1 at a Russell group university and doors will open, or a job focussed vocational course like building surveying, likewise. I don't know any student who has survived financially without parental support and/or a job.

Blup

 

[Tigercubrider]

You can do Joint Degrees here.

 

[JP_]

pretty much as good as Geography

If it wasn't for my geography degree i probably wouldn't have the career I do now.

 

[JP_]

There seems to an assumption that students will work their way through uni. But this is not really possible for most. Most need to study very hard to get a good degree, working a job is not feasible. And many are in campuses where there're are no jobs. There isn't enough work available for all students. We need to remind ourselves why there are so many kids at uni -. It was a government policy to make lower unemployment figures.

 

[Justin Passing]

You can do Joint Degrees here.

Sure but the US system is pretty different, you can pick and choose. I knew an oceanographer who did a short electronics course, about gcse level. It turned out useful for equipment he used on some little boat. It wouldn't have taken more than reading the book and a few lectures.

 

[securespark]

You can do Joint Degrees here.

I spent a lot of time at college studying joints.

 

[ellal]

a degree is more than just the subject taken.

unless you are following a specific path like law. The degree proves the ability to accumulate , organise and disseminate information. The sign of an organised person and mind.

lots of people take degrees in maths and medicine and others but don't follow that career path. The degree alone doesn't make anybody right or wrong. It's an additional factor to be taken into consideration. It doesn't change a personality.

That may have been true in the past, and independent thinking was encouraged 'back in the day'.

But you have forgotten the important bit as regards what happens now.

Getting a degree is required for jobs that previously didn't require one, and conformity is now the goal...

And the reason for that is very simple - education in the UK is now a big business...

And chancellors of universities (vice or not) should be labelled as what they are - CEO's!

 

[Justin Passing]

If it wasn't for my geography degree i probably wouldn't have the career I do now.

Wife did that. She never used it, apart from pointing out drumlins and pingos, shield volcanos and pahoehoe lava. But she wouldn't have got the job/career without it.

 

[motorbiking]

a degree is more than just the subject taken.

unless you are following a specific path like law. The degree proves the ability to accumulate , organise and disseminate information. The sign of an organised person and mind.

lots of people take degrees in maths and medicine and others but don't follow that career path. The degree alone doesn't make anybody right or wrong. It's an additional factor to be taken into consideration. It doesn't change a personality.

Sure, but when candidate A has a degree in business management and B has one in politics, who are you going to think is better equipped to start working on a business proposal?

 

[noseall]

Sure, but when candidate A has a degree in business management and B has one in politics, who are you going to think is better equipped to start working on a business proposal?

The person who has taken both. The person that excels in any given subject. Recruiters are looking for sharp minds.

 

[carmanmemoranda]

Sure, but when candidate A has a degree in business management and B has one in politics, who are you going to think is better equipped to start working on a business proposal?

most likely the 1 with the most relevant knowledge, experience and ability. The degree may be the deciding factor. It wouldn't be my initial 1

 

[charliegolf]

Going back to the days when only the very well off could afford good education

Mmm, when I was a student I had a grant of £105 per term for 3 years, accom and food paid for. My parents had nothing to give me, and I didn't ask. I left with a £50 overdraft. That system enabled the poor to go to college/uni in the 70s. We supported our daughter with about £100/week in term time, and she paid the rest on a student loan. She paid it off in 5 years. This was the noughties. In my case, the bad old days were workable.

 

[Notch7]

I believe more and more students are choosing Combined apprenticeship university courses, Combining full-time paid work and part-time university study.

It helps pay for university and when the student gets their degree the company gets a person who already has work experience.

 

[gas112]

How many of these so called degrees used to be done at the local tech or polytech college people being forced into debt for in many cases minor qualifications
Look at how they start uni with freshers week one big **** up as they mean to go on for the next 3 years