Are they trying to scare us all again - What is this mutated new virus?
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Mmmm. At least influenza has been eradicated - no deaths from it at all.
Oh, wait a minute, what if? No, can't be.
You should ask your provider for a subscription to U.S. Fox news. Right up your alley. It'll give you the far right wing hit that you crave.
Impartial centrist stuff is obviously too lame for you boyo.
No it isn't.
You don't like the BBC because this government have told you to not like it.
This government don't like any media they can't control.....they gotta put out lies for the gullible like you to lap up.
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Now Handjob says the new strain may be more infectious. Seems they've jumped on a possible mutation as a reason to ratchet things up. Mutation of a virus is normal, would be surprising if it didn't mutate. Also travel restrictions for London area now being considered. Where will this all end?
EDIT> Spoke too soon, Tier 4 (lockdown) for London. Even pretending that the government's 'stats' aren't greatly exaggerated, then they're proving that you can't lockdown your way out of this. But they press on with even more draconian rules, and the sheep lap it all up. I'm more worried about the dystopian world with ruined ecomomy and lack of civil liberties that this lying administration are dragging us into than the virus. They say the London area tier 4 lockdown will initially be for two weeks. Where have we heard that before?
EDIT> Spoke too soon, Tier 4 (lockdown) for London. Even pretending that the government's 'stats' aren't greatly exaggerated, then they're proving that you can't lockdown your way out of this. But they press on with even more draconian rules, and the sheep lap it all up. I'm more worried about the dystopian world with ruined ecomomy and lack of civil liberties that this lying administration are dragging us into than the virus. They say the London area tier 4 lockdown will initially be for two weeks. Where have we heard that before?
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Frightening the population is and always has been a "key plank" of the Government's coronavirus strategy. Matt Hancock, Ferguson, Whitty, Boris and the rest of them are also key planks.
nobody said you lockdown your way out of covid.
it is part of taking practical steps to damp down the virus spread and keep it contained such that the NHS isnt overwhelmed.
The government will continue, like every other government around the world, having localised partial lockdowns and social distancing measures until sufficient numbers of the population has been vaccinated.
what is your alternative solution?
They might, or they might not. Even if they do it's likely they'll be less infectious. Sadly that takes a huge amount of vaccinated people to prove or disprove, so we need to wait.
The problem is, using government stats, lockdowns aren't working because they have to keep having more lockdowns with increasing draconian and often bizarre, contradictory rules. Only a fool would keep doing the same thing when it doesn't work. Even the WHO doesn't recommend using lockdowns for this outbreak.
It is idiotic to lockdown everyone, thus risking the physical and mental health of the whole population through curtailment of medical investigations and procedures, loneliness, unemployment, etc. It should always have been policy to contain those at risk (elderly, people with certain co-morbidities), and allow those at low risk to go about their business with ususal distancing and PPE, etc precautions. Would have lead to lot less damage to the economy and distress to millions of people. Strange how people are conditioned to fear the Corona Virus, but ignore the massive harm that ineffective policies are causing. The (non) cure is worse than the disease.
If the vaccine eventually allows more normal daily life, it would be a good idea to make sure there is something left to come out to when we are eventually released from the government's wrong-headed rules and house arrest.
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I don't know if similar figures are available for the UK but here are numbers for Portugal, which is doing worse now than in the spring, unlike the UK - if you are interested:
Óbitos is deaths
and I have made both graphs to the same scale:
Óbitos is deaths
and I have made both graphs to the same scale:
Interesting. Especially over 70s figures. Wonder if the Portugese authorities count actual Covid deaths or those with Covid who died of something else. How has any restrictions implemented by the government affected the Portugese economy? My brother was on The Algarve in Oct and said things seemed more or less normal.
Yes, I find it odd that (also in UK) the majority of deaths - 80+% - are in the over 70s and 80s, yet surely these are the very people who would have been most likely to self-isolate - so how did they catch it? Using the latest revelation, perhaps they had their window open.
Also - looking at my adjusted graph, it is still only a small percentage of over 70s and 80s "cases" who have died.
I don't know but the deaths per million are a lot lower, so maybe they do accurately count covid.
There have been ~6,000 deaths out of 371,000 cases in the 10 million population, so 600/m.
Maybe October was normal but the Summer was empty.
The border was closed for a long time - which would explain the very low Spring numbers - but then they reopened and attracted visitors for the sake of the economy - which might explain the higher numbers since.
Care homes, carers, children, failure to isolate. No protection is perfect. Weaker immune systems so more likely to catch it from small exposure.
Pretty silly point, stupid when raised repeatedly.
Of the 30,000 "cases" in over 80s, 4,000 "people" died. So only a bit over 1 in 10. Barely worth "worrying" about.
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