A bbc article that I think was posted here mentions right at the end that MP's and free tickets is far from unusual and doesn't relate to a particular party.
At least the Tories aimed for higher backhanders than a pair of specs and some new strides.
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60 odd % get pension credits so just what povity line is he on about?
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Four out of five pensioners who are expected to lose out on the winter fuel payment are on or below the poverty line, according to AgeUK.
You see some pensioners spend most of their pension (or more) on care.
You see some pensioners spend most of their pension (or more) on care.
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No.
One in four pensioners who are expected to lose out on the winter fuel payment are on or below the poverty line, according to AgeUK.
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You could read this as a criticism of the party you support. Plenty of years to change pensioner poverty levels for various reasons. Care costs tend to be looked after when there is need but not until there is. I live in a house that was owned by 2 spinsters. One going into care - no worries the other had some real ones.
Fuel bills are paid monthly based on an average over the year and previous usage. This allows Labour to argue for the change. The other aspect that does is the the situation in previous years. Income and fuel costs then.
Rather a lot of pensioners also have additional income over the state pension. That in itself makes 4/5 dubious. NGO's can be a pain in this area as they campaign. In some respects this even crops up in relationship to Israeli problems or any other body that campaigns for just about anything.
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I should have put that in quotes - it's from the source in the video. if you pop "Four out of five pensioners who are expected to lose out on the winter fuel payment are on or below the poverty line" in to google you will find various sources agreeing.
Here you go.
Four in five pensioners struggling with finances will see winter fuel payment cut
Hundreds of thousands of vulnerable pensioners aged 80 or over will miss out on fuel help this year, Age UK estimates
www.independent.co.uk
happy for you to correct it, if its wrong.
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That's why links are helpful, no one knows what video you are on about.
Either way, it's factually wrong.
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yes, yes, but it seems to be widely reported/claimed. so please explain why its "factually wrong".
edit: it does seem like two different claims.
4/5 struggling with money vs 1/4 below the poverty line.
edit: it does seem like two different claims.
4/5 struggling with money vs 1/4 below the poverty line.
That implies more on pension credits but some in care will probably complicate it even more. Also those that live with a family. Certain ethnic groups can be into that sort of thing. The ones I know that did it where not.
The mystery is why some have not claimed. Some seem to think pensioners are thick and couldn't handle the claim Maybe cash reserves figure. Something parties ramble on about. Set low and then decide that this discourages saving so increase it. TBH where I have details it is still too low. IMHO.
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"don't need/want charity/benefits" is often the reason. But when the state comes for you, you change your stance.
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"New research from Age UK estimates that 10.7 million pensioners will lose their fuel payment this winter, following Chancellor Rachel Reeves’ decision to means test the hand-out."
"Of those who will lose out, almost one in four - 23 per cent or 2.46 million people - live in relative poverty or are just above the poverty line, the analysis found."
I think that's 1 in 4, as per AgeUK.
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No, it implies 3 out of 4 don't need it in the first place. If you take the poverty line as the measure.
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New Age UK analysis shows 2.5 million older people on low incomes - a higher number than first estimated
New Age UK analysis shows 2.5 million older people on low incomes - a higher number than first estimated - are set to lose their Winter Fuel Payment and will struggle without it | Age UK press release | Winter Fuel Payment story | Age UK's views on means testing WFP
www.ageuk.org.uk
2.5M out of 3M
More than 80% of pensioners in poverty set to lose the winter fuel payment
2.5 million of the three million pensioners living below or just above the poverty line will no longer receive the benefit, according to Age UK
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80% = 4 out of 5
New analysis from Age UK suggests 10.7 million pensioners will lose this payment. This includes 82 per cent – equivalent to 2.5 million – of the 3 million pensioners living below or just above the poverty line.
I guess it those living just above the poverty line that is the larger dataset than those living below or on.
Is that the same 4 out of 5 pensioners who own their own home worth hundreds of thousands of poundsI should have put that in quotes - it's from the source in the video. if you pop "Four out of five pensioners who are expected to lose out on the winter fuel payment are on or below the poverty line" in to google you will find various sources agreeing.
Here you go.
Four in five pensioners struggling with finances will see winter fuel payment cut
Hundreds of thousands of vulnerable pensioners aged 80 or over will miss out on fuel help this year, Age UK estimates
happy for you to correct it, if its wrong.
If you have an asset worth £400k you aren’t on the poverty line
If the Tories hadn’t privatised the energy market and network, British pensioners wouldn’t have suffered a massive rise in energy costs.New Age UK analysis shows 2.5 million older people on low incomes - a higher number than first estimated
New Age UK analysis shows 2.5 million older people on low incomes - a higher number than first estimated - are set to lose their Winter Fuel Payment and will struggle without it | Age UK press release | Winter Fuel Payment story | Age UK's views on means testing WFP
2.5M out of 3M
More than 80% of pensioners in poverty set to lose the winter fuel payment
2.5 million of the three million pensioners living below or just above the poverty line will no longer receive the benefit, according to Age UK
80% = 4 out of 5
New analysis from Age UK suggests 10.7 million pensioners will lose this payment. This includes 82 per cent – equivalent to 2.5 million – of the 3 million pensioners living below or just above the poverty line.
I guess it those living just above the poverty line that is the larger dataset than those living below or on.
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