Boat illegals up under Labour.

[carmanmemoranda]

how come more are coming?

Are they? Is that what the long term trends are showing ?

They've done nothing other than remove a deterrent.

Haven't they? Exactly what effective deterrent was removed ?

Any reason they couldn't get help while in France, Germany, Italy etc?

Probably because it's a worldwide issue and needs a grown up approach not a Mickey mouse push back a boat approach. That will just be e available to try the next day, or the day after that, or the next til it succeeds. Removing the supply of boats and catching those responsible actually interrupts the operations and therefore the numbers over time.

I'm not seeing any previous system by the other lot that affected the numbers long term

 

[motorbiking]

1. Long term trend was numbers were in decline, until labour announced they'd scrap the deterrents.
2. The deterrent that people feared being deported to Africa, hence they fled to Ireland or simply didn't come
3. Yes but no country is proposing this and other countries simply encourage pass through or do push back when they can't cope.

Push back and take back is the best way to smash demand for illegal trafficking. Imagine if they needed faster, stealthier boats due to the risk of interception. So thats a vessel capable of taking 70 with a cost of £1,500 being replaced with one capable of holding 20, costing 150k

 

[Mottie]

Should the numbers go down in the next 6 months (relative to the same period last year) will you be claiming a labour success?

Yes, and if it goes up would you be acknowledging a Labour failure?

 

[Mottie]

A whole 4,927

That's about 26 a day...

So, an upward trend under Labour as per the thread title. Glad we sorted that.

 

[carmanmemoranda]

1. Long term trend was numbers were in decline, until labour announced they'd scrap the deterrents.

Not the figures I've seen. Didn't look under control at all. And I think the new leader even said as such.

2. The deterrent that people feared being deported to Africa, hence they fled to Ireland or simply didn't come

Wasn't a deterrent. How many people were sent? How many was the limit? What was the cost?

3. Yes but no country is proposing this and other countries simply encourage pass through or do push back when they can't cope.

So it needs adults.

Push back and take back is the best way to smash demand for illegal trafficking. Imagine if they needed faster, stealthier boats due to the risk of interception. So thats a vessel capable of taking 70 with a cost of £1,500 being replaced with one capable of holding 20, costing 150k

Not the best long term strategy, it just pushes the boat back til tomorrow or the day after or the day after. But we all know that boat will keep trying. It only has to succeed once.

 

[carmanmemoranda]

Yes, and if it goes up would you be acknowledging a Labour failure?

Yes.

But I'd give it time 1st

 

[transam]

No, they didn't account for Tory lies.

Scoundrels and fruitcakes...

Hmm
So I take it that the winter fuel allowance caper was not in the manifesto than ??

Wonder why that was ?

 

[ellal]

Yes.

But I'd give it time 1st

Some people require different amounts of time to be able to claim (yet again) that their deluded point of view isn't what it actually is - a blinkered/delusional state of mind!

As an example, rumour has it that they won't be able to claim a single 'brexit benefit' for 50 years...

So a 6 month snapshot is simply their way of massaging their own delusions for a while longer until they come up with their next eruption of BS

 

[Harry Bloomfield]

I'm talking about treating migrants humanly. Mottie then asks which one I'd feed first, a migrant or a homeless person. Totally idiotic.

One limited pot of money, the homeless are not getting the food, and shelter they deserve, because the pot is not big enough to support them. Despite this, you insist we should make the boat migrants welcome, feed them, cloth them, and provide them with a warm place to sleep - basically, treat them better than our own grown. You don't seem to see anything wrong with that.

 

[denso13]

Wonder why that was ?

They didn't account for Tory lies.

Scoundrels and fruitcakes.

 

[denso13]

Despite this, you insist we should make the boat migrants welcome, feed them, cloth them, and provide them with a warm place to sleep

I didn't say that at all. I wish people would stop making things up.

 

[Harry Bloomfield]

I didn't say that at all. I wish people would stop making things up.

Well, that is exactly what we are doing, making them very welcome. You insist they are treated humanly, but seem not to care about our own homeless.

 

[denso13]

One limited pot of money, the homeless are not getting the food, and shelter they deserve, because the pot is not big enough to support them.

And children are not getting the healthcare they deserve. You choose, a homeless person who has chosen that lifestyle or a sick child? Which one gets help first?

 

[denso13]

but seem not to care about our own homeless.

You can lie as much as you like, it doesn't change the facts.

 

[transam]

You can lie as much as you like, it doesn't change the facts.

What lie ??