Boat illegals up under Labour.

[carmanmemoranda]

You've gone from being in a vessel capable of issuing a distress call to being a drowning person who is nearly dead and likely to die. Of course I'd pull you in. Last I checked none of these illegals attempt to swim the channel.

The point you are conveniently ignoring is these vessels set off from France is the same overloaded state when they arrive close to UK territorial waters. According to your definition of a vessel in distress, they can be boarded and "assisted" as soon as they depart.

No.

I've exposed you as saying a boat is only in distress if it fires off flares or a radio call.

I wouldnt want you as the nearest boat to me.

 

[carmanmemoranda]

If a U.K. vessel approaches a small boat and attempts to do a pushback, that British vessel is the closest vessel to a boat that can be defined as “in distress”

Actually could be putting it into distress. Dangerous action, not allowed

If a U.K. vessel doesn’t approach the boat, nobody may know it’s in distress.

Mbk wouldn't look if no flares or radio call

That’s why pushbacks aren’t legal: it puts the one doing the push back nearest to the overloaded rubber boat.


Let’s see you try and squirm out of that

Swerve time

 

[Notch7]

What happened to 2023?

Rishi Sunak came up with the great slogan “stop the boats”
(Which he quietly dropped later)

Oh and nobody got sent to Rwanda


Yup, those are the 2 things that happened.

Oh I remember an extra thing: the “illegal migration act” a Conservative masterpiece that ensures every single person arriving by small boat stays in U.K. in hotels FOREVER. f******g genius plan

 

[motorbiking]

No.

I've exposed you as saying a boat is only in distress if it fires off flares or a radio call.

I wouldnt want you as the nearest boat to me.

You're welcome to show where I said that. I appreciate you wanted me to.

There is no definition of in distress in solas, however a "May Day" is a vessel requiring immediate assistance. Not may require immediate assistance, not likely to require assistance. The master of the ship has a duty to assist a vessel that has issued a May Day and can be tasked by the coordinating SARs. A vessel that is unseaworthy and suffering a potential distress would issue a Pan-Pan. Not the same at all.

 

[carmanmemoranda]

You're welcome to show where I said that. I appreciate you wanted me to.

There is no definition of in distress in solas, however a "May Day" is a vessel requiring immediate assistance. Not may require immediate assistance, not likely to require assistance. The master of the ship has a duty to assist a vessel that has issued a May Day and can be tasked by the coordinating SARs. A vessel that is unseaworthy and suffering a potential distress would issue a Pan-Pan. Not the same at all.

So you would just sail on by.

Any normal person seeing an overloaded dinghy would look at saving lives 1st, and worry about nationalities and reasons after. Not looking at the rule book and say, no flares, no mayday,no panpan I will just sail on by.

They certainly wouldn't try and impede it's progress and make it's travel even more dangerous

But you aren't most normal person type

 

[motorbiking]

If a U.K. vessel approaches a small boat and attempts to do a pushback, that British vessel is the closest vessel to a boat that can be defined as “in distress”

If a U.K. vessel doesn’t approach the boat, nobody may know it’s in distress.


That’s why pushbacks aren’t legal: it puts the one doing the push back nearest to the overloaded rubber boat.


Let’s see you try and squirm out of that

no need - its made up nonsense. You forget the wording of article 25. If its not in distress it can be turned away, if it is in distress it can be taken back to the closest port - France. The flag of the vessel is irrelevant. Of course it can be turned back and then taken back, if the situation develops.

So you would just sail on by.

Any normal person seeing an overloaded dinghy would look at saving lives 1st, and worry about nationalities and reasons after. Not looking at the rule book and say, no flares, no mayday,no panpan I will just sail on by.

They certainly wouldn't try and impede it's progress and make it's travel even more dangerous

But you aren't most normal person type

They are perfectly capable of being assisted when they set off from France. Sadly most of those who drown, do so in French waters just a few miles from the coast.

Alternatively, if you want to "assist" a vessel based on your own definition of a vessel requesting immediate assistance, you may find yourself subject to a salvage claim from the illegals or an allegation of illegal boarding.

 

[motorbiking]

Conservatives = highest No of people in small boats
Labour = lower numbers than Conservatives.

If you want to equate boat numbers to political parties….then the figures don’t work in your favour.

oh dear.. more Notchy maths.

Lets count all the boats in the last 14 years and compare with all the boats in the last 6 months.

 

[Harry Bloomfield]

Great, you have admitted you didn't need it. Just like Mick and Elton.

You are making things up Bob G.

 

[carmanmemoranda]

no need - its made up nonsense. You forget the wording of article 25. If its not in distress it can be turned away, if it is in distress if can be taken back to the closest port - France. The flag of the vessel is irrelevant. Of course it can be turned back and then taken back, if the situation develops.

Distress is only if they are sending flares or calling on a radio? Can somebody be in trouble but not be sufficiently capable to be aware of the risk and danger?

They are perfectly capable of being assisted when they set off from France. Sadly most of those who drown, do so in French waters just a few miles from the coast.

Irrelevant. Making the situation more dangerous is not good practice. It is DANGEROUS

Alternatively, if you want to "assist" a vessel based on your own definition of a vessel requesting immediate assistance, you may find yourself subject to a salvage claim from the illegals or an allegation of illegal boarding.

You don't have to board a boat to offer assistance . Nobody mentioned any such thing.

Why do you keep twisting and swerving

 

[motorbiking]

Distress is only if they are sending flares or calling on a radio?

No I have listed other ways of making a distress call.

Can somebody be in trouble but not be sufficiently capable to be aware of the risk and danger?

You might issue a mayday relay in such a situation, it would likely get downgraded.

It is not for you to decide that a vessel is in destress because your opinion is its unsafe. People are free to do as they please, many stupid people venture on to the water in unsafe situations. I once assisted in the rescue of drunken fisherman who fell off the back of his barely floating boat without a life jacket or appropriate clothing.

You don't have to board a boat to offer assistance . Nobody mentioned any such thing.

Feel free to provide more details on your made up scenario. So far we've gone from dingy, to drowning swimmer, now we are offering assistance without offering assistance. Are you imagining a duty to standby in anticipation that the situation develops? That is not offering assistance and there is no obligation to do so. You could issue a Sécurité giving the coordinates.

 

[ellal]

There just had to be one - What is the subject matter of this thread?

Hmm, let us think about that for a moment...

Subject matter is small boat people coming to the UK out of desperation...

A problem that has been increased because of a vote by stupid people that made it worse because of a loss of co-operation between European countries and the UK...

A UK which is now btw a third country as far as the EU is concerned...

Thus it is a relevant comment...

But sadly there are more than just one ignorant brexiteer (like yourself) who fail to understand the consequences of their petulant foot stomping act!

 

[Harry Bloomfield]

Subject matter is small boat people coming to the UK out of desperation...

How can they be desperate, they are leaving a perfectly safe country (France), though full of scoundrels? The only desperate need, is one of finding an even better life, living on the purse, and generosity of the UK. Basically, economic migrants.

 

[motorbiking]

Something the French have also said.

Denso will be along shortly and say it’s factually wrong because so many claims are successful.

“Now listen up Mohamed, from Iran, you can’t say you are a Muslim man wanting a better life in the U.K., can’t you say you are a homosexual Christian fleeing persecution from the state?”

Sorted. £350 + Vat please. No you want have to prove it. That’s against your human rights.

 

[denso13]

they are leaving a perfectly safe country (France)

So, let's process them in France?

Or do you want zero migration?

 

[denso13]

Basically, economic migrants.

Again, that is just factually wrong, no matter how many times you lie about it.