Branch off Henley block after meter with swa cable to outbuilding

I spent yesterday morning trying to rectify the issues created by some dumb arse “spark” who clearly has little idea about electrical installation, zones in bathrooms or the building regs

And obviously no testing, no certificate and no invoice
 
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Assuming you included electric items with that application, you don't need a separate one.
However you MUST confirm with building control exactly what documents they want regarding the electrical installation.


But what kind of certificate - and is that certificate the one that building control will want?


While those will work, an RCD there is a poor choice, and a fuse would be preferable rather than an MCB.
Thanks for the advice, I'll check with building control about the electrical cert type. I'm just curious as to why a fuse would be preferable to an RCD/MCB there? What if the swa cable got damaged in some way that that live conductors were exposed and somebody touched it? I guess it's pretty unlikely that this could happen without the conductor first shorting to earth either via the earth conductor itself or the sheathing and then blowing the fuse, but still..
 
Thanks for the advice, I'll check with building control about the electrical cert type. I'm just curious as to why a fuse would be preferable to an RCD/MCB there? What if the swa cable got damaged in some way that that live conductors were exposed and somebody touched it? I guess it's pretty unlikely that this could happen without the conductor first shorting to earth either via the earth conductor itself or the sheathing and then blowing the fuse, but still..

Regarding the installation methods - speak to a spark
 
I spent yesterday morning trying to rectify the issues created by some dumb arse “spark” who clearly has little idea about electrical installation, zones in bathrooms or the building regs

And obviously no testing, no certificate and no invoice
I was looking at the wiring that the solar panel company did and they just have the SWA going directly to an 20amp MCB in the CU. I thought they would also need an isolator switch there because they have about 10 metres of cable but there's nothing
 
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I was looking at the wiring that the solar panel company did and they just have the SWA going directly to an 20amp MCB in the CU. I thought they would also need an isolator switch there because they have about 10 metres of cable but there's nothing

Photo?

PV installers have a terrible track record of doing it correctly in my experience
 
Thanks for the advice, I'll check with building control about the electrical cert type. I'm just curious as to why a fuse would be preferable to an RCD/MCB there? What if the swa cable got damaged in some way that that live conductors were exposed and somebody touched it? I guess it's pretty unlikely that this could happen without the conductor first shorting to earth either via the earth conductor itself or the sheathing and then blowing the fuse, but still..
Look up "discrimination/selectivity" with relation to fuses, MCBs etc. Look at the time/current trip curves for MCBs and various fuse types. You should then be able to work out why a fuse is being suggested as the upstream device.

It's nigh on impossible to accidentally damage an SWA in the way you describe - that's the main point of earthing the armour.
 
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Playing fast and loose with Building Regulations was a major factor in what caused the Grenfell tragedy.
That may be the case, and probably greed/profit had a fair bit to do with it too but I'm not sure how that relates to my question! As long as everything is checked, certified and signed off properly by building control it shouldn't matter who does the actual work. A spark may have a hungover 16 year old apprentice doing most of the work for him but if it's checked afterwards and he corrects any mistakes it's all good. As long as you're not going near live unprotected conductors with no RCD or current protection and know that the first point of failure in any circuit needs to be a safety device such as a fuse or a breaker rather than the cable melting then you're highly unlikely to have a C1 fault, cause a fire or die with domestic electrics as far as I can see
 
That may be the case, and probably greed/profit had a fair bit to do with it too but I'm not sure how that relates to my question! As long as everything is checked, certified and signed off properly by building control it shouldn't matter who does the actual work. A spark may have a hungover 16 year old apprentice doing most of the work for him but if it's checked afterwards and he corrects any mistakes it's all good. As long as you're not going near live unprotected conductors with no RCD or current protection and know that the first point of failure in any circuit needs to be a safety device such as a fuse or a breaker rather than the cable melting then you're highly unlikely to have a C1 fault, cause a fire or die with domestic electrics as far as I can see

Gob smacked.
 
Photo?

PV installers have a terrible track record of doing it correctly in my experience
I just had another look at it and I wasn't right on a few of the details. They've got a cable coming down from the inverter in the loft running outside down the drainpipe to an IP67 type junction box. I hadn't looked at it closely before and said it was SWA but it actually looks like it's not armoured but just has similar black insulation. Then 2.5mm t&e cable running from the junction box to the PV generation meter and then a short piece of the same black cable as comes down from the roof going from the generation meter into the CU to a 16amp MCB type B. It's a 3.9KW PV array that generates about 3KW on a sunny day. Shall I get on to the company?
 

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Look up "discrimination/selectivity" with relation to fuses, MCBs etc. Look at the time/current trip curves for MCBs and various fuse types. You should then be able to work out why a fuse is being suggested as the upstream device.

It's nigh on impossible to accidentally damage an SWA in the way you describe - that's the main point of earthing the armour.
That's very helpful thanks, I'll take a good look at the video. Yes when I thought about how nearly impossible it would be to do that with a SWA I felt I may have answered my own question!
 
And at a time when Grenfell is back in the news we have people who want to blatantly ignore the electrical regs AND the building regs
Sorry I really don't understand why you're on about Grenfell or the link between that and homeowner electrics!?! Obviously if all the documentation and certification gets falsified and people are given backhanders to look the other way and nothing is actually checked then you may end up with Grenfell but that bears no resemblance to this situation!? i.e a homeowner that did a basic domestic electricians course maybe 25 years ago but then went on to do a computer systems engineering degree at uni and followed that route instead who now does his home electrics but still gets it checked and certified by an electrician and everything signed off by building control... I really don't see a problem with that, you don't become an expert at something without practical experience
 
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