Brexit Checks are not needed

[Mottie]

Are you happy that your kids/grandkids will at present have to apply for a visa to work/live/study in each and every EU country?

If it’s reciprocal, yes. If they are not fit to live/work/study in another EU country, why should they be allowed? No different from the rest of the world.

And can you tell us how you will explain to them why you didn't have to worry about that?

I wasn't interested in living/working in Europe. I went to South Africa. I was needed and qualified and wanted. No problem. What makes you think they will be worrying about not being able to work/live/study in the EU? Probably won’t even be an EU by the time my grandkids grow up.

 

[ellal]

Try challenging facts not false comparisons.

While your at it, put up the benefits of brexit, the best argument of all to stop any possible rejoining.

I doubt you will.

No doubt mottie will say that there will be conditions that will be detrimental on rejoining...

Like the opt outs that the UK (and other sovereign member countries) had whether they chose to use them or not which may not be on the table...

Such as joining the Euro or limiting immigration as was the case...

But the remaining brexiteers choose to ignore the facts because of their racist/xenophobic ideology...

And look where that has got them (and us), with record immigration levels from other parts of the world

 

[ellal]

What makes you think they will be worrying about it?

Depends on their capability of individual thought given their family method of indoctrination

 

[ellal]

If it’s reciprocal, yes. If they are not fit to live/work/study in another EU country, why should they be allowed? No different from the rest of the world.

And yet you enjoyed the 'luxury' of not having to prove that you were fit/work/study in another EU country...

What makes you better than your kids/grandkids?

 

[Mottie]

And yet you enjoyed the 'luxury' of not having to prove that you were fit/work/study in another EU country...

Told you. I didn’t want to. The EU is not the be all and end all to most people.

 

[ellal]

Told you. I didn’t want to. The EU is not the be all and end all to most people.

Ah, but you still enjoyed it...

And you've denied the opportunity to the majority who now want the choices back!

And define 'most people'...

Brexiteers are in the minority and thankfully going the way of the dinosaurs!

 

[Brigadier]

Everyone should have a freedom of choice as long as they choose the same as you eh?

It is all very well and good advocating for freedom of choice, but it loses its authenticity when you have vetted and restricted the available options

 

[mitch66]

I think it's a really positive thing. Go see what deals can be had as a non member. They want us to buy their **** and vice versa. If it can be made easier great. They want youngsters to have a free pass to move around a bit, if it goes both ways fair play. These people bring their wallets with them, don't have machete tendencies and fit in well. Why not. If it's done it's done voluntarily by both parties. not because we were told to.
I think that is the ideal Brexit TBH. Separate, negotiate, move on and get on.
I'll be honest now. I voted Brexit on the toss of a coin. Couldn't give a monkeys either way. Luckily for me I'm not affected (by Brexit anyway LOL)This opportunity has made me think a bit. Perhaps all sides could be at least a bit happy?

 

[carmanmemoranda]

I think it's a really positive thing. Go see what deals can be had as a non member. They want us to buy their **** and vice versa. If it can be made easier great. They want youngsters to have a free pass to move around a bit, if it goes both ways fair play. These people bring their wallets with them, don't have machete tendencies and fit in well. Why not. If it's done it's done voluntarily by both parties. not because we were told to.
I think that is the ideal Brexit TBH. Separate, negotiate, move on and get on.
I'll be honest now. I voted Brexit on the toss of a coin. Couldn't give a monkeys either way. Luckily for me I'm not affected (by Brexit anyway LOL)This opportunity has made me think a bit. Perhaps all sides could be at least a bit happy?

A serious question not just a dig.

Would you expect trade to be easier as a member, or not?

Of course we can still trade, the rules are clear and we know all about them. We helped create them after all

 

[Nail In]

Starmer has started the process of getting a better relationship with the EU that was wrecked by stupid brexiteers...

Who still btw haven't come up with a single benefit from leaving the EU!

This first step is the start of the journey to rejoining...

And when it happens, brexiteers (the few that are left) will have to 'get over it'....

Although they'll probably stumble given their age

The reason why people voted Brexit was to keep the immigrants out

 

[denso13]

The reason why people voted Brexit was to keep the immigrants out

That's going well, over a million last year.

 

[carmanmemoranda]

The reason why people voted Brexit was to keep the immigrants out

Good to see somebody admits that.

Even if it didn't achieve what they hoped for.

 

[denso13]

Trouble was, there was feck all in Dinu's country that the average Brit would want.

Dinu's country means every EU country. It'll come round again.

 

[mitch66]

A serious question not just a dig.

Would you expect trade to be easier as a member, or not?

I'd expect someones partner to be a more likely yes for a shag, for said person. The partner may well expect them, not to shag anyone else though.
Yes trade would be easier as a member. Trouble is when said member wants to trade elsewhere without the partner kicking off.
One thing I would agree with now is Brexit didn't help with illegal immigrants. Our politicians won't just put them on a boat and send them back. There's political prices to pay there.
Thing is we are where we are. People can whine like a whore day and night about Brexit but that doesn't help. Just makes tiny keyboard warriors feel big. It's time to accept where we are and do some deals. If our own countrymen can't work together what chance with other countries.

 

[carmanmemoranda]

I'd expect someones partner to be a more likely yes for a shag, for said person. The partner may well expect them, not to shag anyone else though.
Yes trade would be easier as a member. Trouble is when said member wants to trade elsewhere without the partner kicking off.
One thing I would agree with now is Brexit didn't help with illegal immigrants. Our politicians won't just put them on a boat and send them back. There's political prices to pay there.
Thing is we are where we are. People can whine like a whore day and night about Brexit but that doesn't help. Just makes tiny keyboard warriors feel big. It's time to accept where we are and do some deals. If our own countrymen can't work together what chance with other countries.

1 What country, or trader could we not deal with whilst in the EU ?
2 Illegal immigration was never the fault of the EU. Expecting it to be cured was never possible.
3 No problem with accepting we've got Brexit, wanted or not. There are some positives and benefits (are there?), or is it all extra cost and regualations ? A decrease in red tape ? Examples ?

I think we have shot ourselves in the foot and have just got to continue with the hand we have dealt ourselves. No blaming others. Never understood the benefits of making things harder or more expensive though.