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OK, we'll forget about Admiral Nelson's slaughter of prisoners in Naples, and General Dyer's slaughter of demonstrators in Amritsar. We'll forget about Sharpeville and Mail Lai and Srebrenica and Auschwitz and Deir Yassin and Peterloo as well.

That OK with you? Everything can be forgiven under the circumstances of the time.

Yes we will forget about the Dutch UN troops who abandoned thousands to there fate at the hands of Miladic and his henchmen ;) That OK with you ?

WE will forget about the EU monitors who did what ??? We will forget about the European nations , who had to ask the USA to get involved in Europes s***e yet again.

We will forget about The EU countries who stood by whilst concentration camps in existence in Europe in the 80's were torture / executions/ mass rape took place ;)

Yep the USA ounce again had to send there sons & daughters to risk there lives for Europe :LOL::LOL:
 
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Let me correct that for you.

unregulated mass immigration isn't true
If it is untrue why can't the government just set a figure for the number of immigrants to be allowed into the UK and stick to that figure.
 
Alex, do you think Britons should be prohibited from going abroad?

I've had a quick look and most similar countries have (give or take) a similar number of foreign-born inhabitants.
Don't you think that is just the way it is in this modern world with easy travel?

As for your "some places have a third of the population" being immigrants; logically that means, presumably, they like living together and some places must have considerably less or even none.
 
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Another bigoted plumber from the CC forum. Definitely some sort of production line going on in there!

As I explained further up -attitude of people like you increases division. Anybody that raises any concerns about immigration is automatically subjected to your tiresome rants, branding them bigoted.

Do tell me what do you think you achieve by it?

You have no right to claim any form of moral high ground -you are a person that is pleased with himself for hounding somebody with aspergers.
 
We now have this divisive situation that has led to a rise in racism by a minority and a concern by many that arent allowed to have an open discussion without instantly being labelled racist and or zenophobic
A bit of a change from what you stated earlier...

Anybody here that makes any comment about immigration is always shot down as a bigotted zenophobe.

But well done for acknowledging your error (y)
 
So what you are saying is that racism is defined by race,
NO! I AM NOT SAYING THAT. YOU AND ELFI ARE SAYING THAT.
HOW CAN YOU POSSIBLY MISUNDERSTAND AND MISREPRESENT SUCH A BASIC IDEA?

Racism and any bigotry is based on belief, a belief that the perpetrator is superior to the victim. It is not based on actuality or reality.
Racism and other prejudices are based on a taught response. To ascribe negative meanings to differences is not natural, it is something we learn, and is therefore something we can unlearn.

Now to take a simple case, not of racism, but of homophobia:
If a hetreosexual person is suspected of being gay, and suffers from homophobia as a result, it is pedantic and nonsensical stupidity to argue that the victim could not have suffered from homophobia because they were not gay. They were perceived as being gay by the perpetrator!
Similarly, if a person suffers bigotry because the perpetrator believes that they are superior due to taught prejudices, it is pedantic and nonsensical stupidity to argue that it was not racism, because the victim is the same race as the perpetrator. The perpetrators do not have the intelligence to inquire about the actual race or ethnicity of their victim. The perpetrator exhibits bigotry based on a belief and perceived differences.

"Racism and anti-racism is first a battle of ideas." Dimensions of Racism. OHCHR
To argue that bigotry cannot be racism because the perpetrator and the victim are the same race is completely lost on the perpetrator, but more importantly it detracts, diverts, deflects and dilutes from the "battle" against bigotry which we term racism.

According to your and Eldi's narrow and pedantic definition racism cannot exist:
"some scientists describe all humans as belong to the same race — the human race.
Ethnicity is the term for the culture of people in a given geographic region, including their language, heritage, religion and customs." https://www.livescience.com/33903-difference-race-ethnicity.html

"Racism takes many forms and can happen in many places. It includes prejudice, discrimination or hatred directed at someone because of their colour, ethnicity or national origin."https://itstopswithme.humanrights.gov.au/about-racism

Finally, some thoughts:
"So we should start by understanding racism as a worldwide phenomenon that requires a worldwide response. All societies, and all of us in those societies, must address racism in the forms that it manifests itself in our lives and cultures. ... But, as they emphasize, they are dealing with a common concern – the denial of equality to fellow human beings because of their race or ethnicity or nationality.

... Every one of us, whether we are conscious of it or not, are living out our lives in societies shaped by history. In all societies structures of inequality, including economic inequalities, have been laid down in the past. In a number of cases these structures have been based on or influenced by racist assumptions that, transmitted over time have continuing effects today. The challenge for all of us is not to be passive in accepting the hand history has played, but to work for positive change that can leave behind what has been negative about the past. A universal human rights era in which we now live gives us the necessary values and means to work to end such inequalities and the prejudices and attitudes that sustain them.

No one can be denied their human rights because they are different from others, whether by sex, race or ethnicity, work or descent, caste, culture, religion, skin colour or other grounds. The struggle to ensure equality of treatment for everyone is thus at the centre of all efforts to promote the universal protection of human rights." OHCHR
 
But well done for acknowledging your error

You are clutching at straws.

Firstly you realised and acknowledged you were wrong in stating one cannot not be both things.

Secondly you are trying to claim now that the 2 words bigotted zenophobe somehow can be compared to racist and/or zenophobe....as though that proves your point.

It does not.....but I can see you need to go to desperate attempts in your quest to prove a point. (y)
 
HOW CAN YOU POSSIBLY MISUNDERSTAND AND MISREPRESENT SUCH A BASIC IDEA?

No need to shout in capitals, don't you know its poor etiquette!

And no, I dont know why you cant understand such a basic idea.

Words mean certain things.

racist ...to do with race

Ethnic discrimination: means discrimination of people of different ethnicity.

Simples.
 
No need to shout in capitals, don't you know its poor etiquette!
It is not just poor etiquette to misrepresent someone's basic argument. It is downright deceitful and duplicitous!

But that is what you do. It is what you are.

You can (and no doubt will) continue with your pedantic and narrow definition. But you are out of step with national and international organisations and institutions.

Additionally, you are diverting and diluting the battle against racism, by arguing that, in some incidences, it cannot exist.
If you are content with that, then you (and Elfi) will continue to argue that racism cannot exist because the perpetrator and the victim are the same race.

You are not just acquiescing to that bigotry, but actively opposing the battle against it.
 
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Dramatic, much?
Tell the relatives of the dead victims of racism and other forms of bigotry, that they are being dramatic!

"Research from the United States of Amercia, shows that race and ethnicity matters when it comes to sentencing, including to the death penalty" OHCHR
 
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racist ...to do with race
Ethnic discrimination: means discrimination of people of different ethnicity.


"The Convention’s definition of racial discrimination provides a useful perspective on the subject. “In this Convention the term ‘racial discrimination’ shall mean any distinction, exclusion, restriction or preference based on race, colour, descent, or national or ethnic origin which has the purpose or effect of nullifying or impairing the recognition, enjoyment or exercise, on an equal footing, of human rights and fundamental freedoms in the political, economic, social, cultural or any other field of public life.”
OHCHR
 
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