British Jobs for British People

[skitzee2k]

We're not going to settle this so this is my last comment.

I employ British people to work for me in Britain. I wont pay foreign labour to do the same job for less, I could, but I wont.

That is your choice, it is also the choice of others to take the cheaper option.

I am championing choice, you are the one trying to FORCE employers to hire British.

I agree, our lines are drawn and neither of us are going to cross them. Might as well end it.

 

[lifesagasman]

We're not going to settle this so this is my last comment.

I employ British people to work for me in Britain. I wont pay foreign labour to do the same job for less, I could, but I wont.

That is your choice, it is also the choice of others to take the cheaper option.

I am championing choice, you are the one trying to FORCE employers to hire British.

I agree, our lines are drawn and neither of us are going to cross them. Might as well end it.

if you want to end it all now, i'll help you..would you prefer a little gentle inverted hanging and throat slitting or a bolt gun? or, if you prefer, let's take away the option to choose...

 

[joinerjohn]

Skitzee2k says "British people are lazy
British people lack the skills needed
British people expect more money for the same work compared to immigrants "

What a boad of lollocks there Skitz.
Where did you unearth that information? Deep within the job pages of the Guardian no doubt.
How dare you say that British workers lack the skills needed, or that British workers are lazy.
The point about British workers expecting more money than immigrants , is at best flawed. It's unscrupulous employers that have taken advantage of the immigrant workforce that have put wages down and many British workers out of employment.
Do you think a Polish plumber is more skilled than a British one? Just because he will work for the national minimum wage?
Utter carp.
We should close our borders to immigration, unless they do possess the skills needed. Not just accept them because they will work for less money.
There are cases where people have got jobs, not because they are the best qualified, but because of the ethnicity of the person applying.
Political correctness has caused this sorry state of affairs.

 

[kevplumb]

so in the same vein you would stop me working in England i suppose ?

 

[skitzee2k]

Skitzee2k says "British people are lazy
British people lack the skills needed
British people expect more money for the same work compared to immigrants "

What a boad of lollocks there Skitz.
Where did you unearth that information? Deep within the job pages of the Guardian no doubt.
How dare you say that British workers lack the skills needed, or that British workers are lazy.
The point about British workers expecting more money than immigrants , is at best flawed. It's unscrupulous employers that have taken advantage of the immigrant workforce that have put wages down and many British workers out of employment.
Do you think a Polish plumber is more skilled than a British one? Just because he will work for the national minimum wage?
Utter carp.
We should close our borders to immigration, unless they do possess the skills needed. Not just accept them because they will work for less money.
There are cases where people have got jobs, not because they are the best qualified, but because of the ethnicity of the person applying.
Political correctness has caused this sorry state of affairs.

Welcolm Mr selective quoter, how are you?

What I ACTUALLY said was that logically the reason immigrants get more work than the british HAS to be one of those reasons.
Can you think of any other reasons?
If you can please say.
However, I do not think there are any not covered by those 3 statements.

No, i don't think a polish plumber is more qualified than a british plumber...he is likely to be about the same....but why shouldn't he be allowed to compete for a job along side a british person?
This is the main question.
Why should jobs only be for British people?

 

[skitzee2k]

We're not going to settle this so this is my last comment.

I employ British people to work for me in Britain. I wont pay foreign labour to do the same job for less, I could, but I wont.

That is your choice, it is also the choice of others to take the cheaper option.

I am championing choice, you are the one trying to FORCE employers to hire British.

I agree, our lines are drawn and neither of us are going to cross them. Might as well end it.

if you want to end it all now, i'll help you..would you prefer a little gentle inverted hanging and throat slitting or a bolt gun? or, if you prefer, let's take away the option to choose...

Go and play with the buses gasman, adults are talking here.

 

[lifesagasman]

it would make a change from 'adults' preaching.

 

[skitzee2k]

it would make a change from 'adults' preaching.

Shhhh

 

[lifesagasman]

it would make a change from 'adults' preaching.

Shhhh

don't forget you wanted to end it all this morning...

 

[joe-90]

This is the problem as I see it:

Migrant worker is probably a single male who lives in a shared house with a load of others. He works for the minimum wage because he CAN. The Brit worker with mortgage and family can't so he's better off on benefits.
What this means is the migrant worker on low pay pays little if any tax. The Brit on benefits draws money out of the national pot. The migrant worker doesn't spend his money in Comet and Waitrose - he sends it out of the country to benefit his home country. The Brit worker on benefits has no money to spend in the shops - so the shops suffer and reduce branches and staff numbers. The redundant staff then claim benefits.

Because the government is then paying out on benefits yet receiving no income tax from the migrant - the books don't balance and so the Government has to borrow more money - and the burgeoning deficit continues to rise.

To get the deficit down the Government needs to reduce benefit payments and they need to get more tax in. Then (and only then) can they reduce the dangerously high national debt.

So what we need is to employ British people who spend their pay in the UK. They should be paid a decent wage so in turn they pay a decent amount in tax and the deficit can be controlled.

Forcing wages too low is the economics of madness.

There'll be tears before bedtime.

 

[skitzee2k]

This is the problem as I see it:

Migrant worker is probably a single male who lives in a shared house with a load of others. He works for the minimum wage because he CAN. The Brit worker with mortgage and family can't so he's better off on benefits.
What this means is the migrant worker on low pay pays little if any tax. The Brit on benefits draws money out of the national pot. The migrant worker doesn't spend his money in Comet and Waitrose - he sends it out of the country to benefit his home country. The Brit worker on benefits has no money to spend in the shops - so the shops suffer and reduce branches and staff numbers. The redundant staff then claim benefits.

Because the government is then paying out on benefits yet receiving no income tax from the migrant - the books don't balance and so the Government has to borrow more money - and the burgeoning deficit continues to rise.

To get the deficit down the Government needs to reduce benefit payments and they need to get more tax in. Then (and only then) can they reduce the dangerously high national debt.

So what we need is to employ British people who spend their pay in the UK. They should be paid a decent wage so in turn they pay a decent amount in tax and the deficit can be controlled.

Forcing wages too low is the economics of madness.

There'll be tears before bedtime.

Ok, this is how I see it.

If you cannot afford to have a family...don't.
No-one should be better off on benefits and I am continually amazed by how shameless people are that do.

If people (I say people because anyone can do it) want to live in shared houses to keep costs down, then they are making sacrifices which will mean they get low overheads.

This argument is the equivilent of store vs internet store...with less overheads they can sell things cheaper than traditional stores..should we abolish that too? How about machines that do the work of humans?

I dare say migrants do send money back home, but they also have to live here too and if they are managing to do both of these, I dare say that their wages aren't minimum wage.

The books would balance IF
*people didn't assume a right to get paid for nothing
*people didn't act as if it is the government's job to pay for their breeding
*people stuck to the law and declared ALL their earnings.
*People didn't assume a right to a lifestyle that they have not contributed towards.

You get rid of those and it wouldn't matter how many workers came from the EU we'd hold our own.

On the upside, it all levels itself out eventually.

The lower people are paid, the less money it costs to have things made/ have services performed...meaning although the average wage goes down it stretches further.

 

[Karinska]

[/quote]The books would balance IF
*people didn't assume a right to get paid for nothing
*people didn't act as if it is the government's job to pay for their breeding
*people stuck to the law and declared ALL their earnings.
*People didn't assume a right to a lifestyle that they have not contributed towards.[/quote]

Isn't that exactly what the immigrants (legal and otherwise) are doing?

 

[skitzee2k]

The books would balance IF
*people didn't assume a right to get paid for nothing
*people didn't act as if it is the government's job to pay for their breeding
*people stuck to the law and declared ALL their earnings.
*People didn't assume a right to a lifestyle that they have not contributed towards.

Isn't that exactly what the immigrants (legal and otherwise) are doing?

Well...no. They pay for their lifestyle.

 

[skitzee2k]

...hence the fact that people are annoyed because the foreigners are working (paying their own way).

 

[joe-90]

The lower people are paid, the less money it costs to have things made/ have services performed...meaning although the average wage goes down it stretches further.

And so no-one pays tax and the government has to borrow to balance the books.