Broken cables in a wall

With respect that is being pedantic, I was making a point about the nature and extent of departures from the building regs
With reciprocated respect, I think that the comment to which I was responding was also pretty pedantic (and not specifically relevant to the discussion) - which is why I responded.

... and, for what it's worth, and as has been said, until fairly recently Approved Doc P (which you have chosen to cite) explicitly permitted "designing and installing in accordance with say Italian or Latvian codes"
 
Sponsored Links
With reciprocated respect, I think that the comment to which I was responding was also pretty pedantic (and not specifically relevant to the discussion) - which is why I responded.

... and, for what it's worth, and as has been said, until fairly recently Approved Doc P (which you have chosen to cite) explicitly permitted "designing and installing in accordance with say Italian or Latvian codes"
If so, a basic misunderstanding of the application of eu law, there was never any requirement afaik to have these regs converge
 
I should have mentioned that the distance to brick is 45mm. I would guess that the cable was about 35m deep.
Presumably not 45mm of plaster? What else was between the surface and the brick - an 'air gap' or what?
What are the regs with regarding depth the depth in plaster?
No building regs rules about plaster, sincee eit's non-structural. The rules only apply to cutting chases into bricks/blocks etc.

Kind Regards, John
 
Sponsored Links
If so, a basic misunderstanding of the application of eu law, there was never any requirement afaik to have these regs converge
It's was not about having convergence of national regs - indeed, had they 'converged', they would all be the same, and hence it would have made no difference which one used.

Rather, it was about the acceptability of using other EEA country's regs/standards (different from BS7671). The 2006 version of Approved Doc P (which I think remains the 'current version' in Wales to this day) said ...

1707401717188.png
 
You might be able to bury RCDs 50mm in plaster - But I doubt it though ;)
If so, a basic misunderstanding of the application of eu law, there was never any requirement afaik to have these regs converge
I don1t know of anyone suggesting the might converge (Other than some particular parts of (EN) for example in some of our BS numbers.
Any EU member state can produce their own regs and are acceptable as far as Part P goes I would suggest. I would also suggest that any civilised country having similar standards would suffice too. Nigeria as a random example perhaps?

Correction EEA member state not EU state - sorry
 
Why did you bring up the 50mm.

I assumed it was reference to RCDs but I cannot find anything mentioning that.

Sorry, I am confused...

I mentioned that the plaster is 45mm thick.

I got the impression that you were saying that it isn't allowed to be buried that deep in plaster. On reflection, I suspect that you were talking about the depth of chase in brick.

The brickwork was not chased. The plaster is dot and dab. It looks like the builder retrospectively chased through the plasterboard and back filled.
 
Yes, I am sorry too. I have confused things.

I assumed it was with reference to cables less than 50mm. deep must have RCD 'protection'.
 
Why do so many threads in this subforum deviate so far from the OP's question?

I appreciate the contribution from each of you, but once you start arguing with each other, it acts as a disincentive to reading replies.

I am grateful that each of you that gave me different solutions, but frankly, after that, once you start arguing, I just see digital noise.
 
Why do so many threads in this subforum deviate so far from the OP's question?

I appreciate the contribution from each of you, but once you start arguing with each other, it acts as a disincentive to reading replies.

I am grateful that each of you that gave me different solutions, but frankly, after that, once you start arguing, I just see digital noise.
It seems certain themes come up regularly and this leads to long held differences of opinion being raised. It’s inevitable but arguably better than not having the post responded to at all. I imagine it happens in other sub forums on topics that are regulation based like central heating and gas but we are not party to those.
 
Sorry, I am confused... I mentioned that the plaster is 45mm thick. ... I got the impression that you were saying that it isn't allowed to be buried that deep in plaster. On reflection, I suspect that you were talking about the depth of chase in brick.
Yes, he was - and, as I said, it would be very unusual (I've never seen it) to have plaster 50mm (or more) thick.
The brickwork was not chased. The plaster is dot and dab.
That's what I guessed when I asked if theree was an 'air gap'. Mind you,45mm from surface to brick still sounds a lot,even with dot and dab.

Kind Regards, John
 
Why do so many threads in this subforum deviate so far from the OP's question?
I guess for the same reason they do in almost every on-line discussion place :)
I appreciate the contribution from each of you, but once you start arguing with each other, it acts as a disincentive to reading replies. I am grateful that each of you that gave me different solutions, but frankly, after that, once you start arguing, I just see digital noise.
It's usually the case (and I hope it was this time), that the 'digital noise' only arises after nevermore has exhausted what potentially useful contributions they can offer in response to the OP's question - and anyone is obviously free to ignore that 'noise'.

Kind Regards, John
 
Yes, he was - and, as I said, it would be very unusual (I've never seen it) to have plaster 50mm (or more) thick.

That's what I guessed when I asked if theree was an 'air gap'. Mind you,45mm from surface to brick still sounds a lot,even with dot and dab.

Kind Regards, John
The chases were/are in solid plaster. There is no air gap- other than the bit I chopped out.

I have no idea why they didn't use trunking.
 
The chases were/are in solid plaster. There is no air gap- other than the bit I chopped out.
With dot and dab, there is inevitably an 'air gap' other than where thee 'dots' are - and that's what I was referring to - but I remain surprised that it was as much as 45mm from surface to brick.
I have no idea why they didn't use trunking.
Unless you're talking about surface-mounted trunking (which is pretty ugly) probably because there is no need/point in using trunking if it's going to be plastered over.

Kind Regards, John
 

DIYnot Local

Staff member

If you need to find a tradesperson to get your job done, please try our local search below, or if you are doing it yourself you can find suppliers local to you.

Select the supplier or trade you require, enter your location to begin your search.


Are you a trade or supplier? You can create your listing free at DIYnot Local

 
Sponsored Links
Back
Top