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You are saying that Ellal must take it. He does not want it.
Fine.

But he must not be allowed to spread his lies. And if the evidence shows that he poses a significant risk to others because he wont be vaccinated he must be quarantined.
 
It doesn't matter.
Of course it matters.

I am arguing with those who think long term effects can be determined in the short term.
No, you are arguing with those who know what they are saying when you dont.

An English semantic exercise rather than a medical one.
Talk about shooting yourself in the foot. Claiming that when you are doing precisely the opposite of using the meanings of words.



Ok. I apologise if the medical fraternity uses different 'terms'.

However, I have never heard the term 'delayed onset effects' so I think most people will think long term effects means the same as I mean; i.e. effects that might appear a long term after the vaccine.
The problem is that because you dont know what the words you are using actually mean you have decided that they mean things which simply do not exist, and therefore you are suggesting that people should worry about impossibilities.
 
She's now back at work, and she bitterly regrets not having the vaccine. She said she felt so bad from covid she thought she was going to die, and the 6 weeks in the mental health unit were the most unpleasant weeks of her life. Not just from her own depression, but from seeing the state of others in the unit.
Well - Im afraid that really does serve her right.

promoting your antivax views is cowardly and dangerous to others. Are you prepared to take responsibility when someone listen to your misinformation on the vaccines, chooses not be vaccinated and gets seriously ill or dies?

I suspect you'll decline all responsibility.
Which is why Ellal and the others should be shut down if they wont shut up, and why I would welcome regulations which would shut websites down if they wont shut people like that down. "Freedom of speech" should not mean the right to lie to people and thereby kill them.
 
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Ok. It's been, as you said, nine months since the first vaccine so, presumably only six months since the second dose.
Is that long enough to discount anything untoward happening in the future?

The concept of viral vector-based vaccines, such as the AZ one, was introduced almost 50 years ago and has been used successfully for years with no long term problems. What makes you think the AZ one will be the odd one out?
 
Fair enough, so exposure to asbestos and smoking have no long term side effects in your terminology.
And in saying that you show that you are so determined to be blindly ignorant that you wilfully ignore the difference between chronic ingestion of materials with unknown properties and a very limited exposure to medicines of a type which do not have unknown long-term risks.
 
Fair enough, so exposure to asbestos and smoking have no long term side effects in your terminology.
No, asbestosis is a delayed onset effect. Lung scarring from either is cumulative, immediate and long term.

Is that long enough to discount anything untoward happening in the future?
Pretty much. There's never been a vaccine effect that took longer than that to appear. It's possible that we haven't found some that have already presented, but they've got to be tiny to have missed detection so far. For example the clotting issue only occurs 12 times per million people, and fatally something around 1 or 2 per million. It's very hard to spot that sort of signal. We might have missed some less common adverse effects, but they have to be very very very uncommon.

So, in your work, like many others, ordinary English phrases come to only mean one specific thing (long term side effects only means side efects that happen quickly and last a long term but not side effects that happen after a long term - that is called something else even though the words also mean that).
If you're too sloppy with language you can't communicate effectively and make mistakes. As you have demonstrated.
 
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Nope...

Can you provide evidence of there being no long term side effects?
Death rate going down now that plenty have been jabbed. Things starting to get back to normal. Pubs and entertainment venues opening up, people socialising and going back to work. They’re long term benefits aren’t they?
 
Death rate going down now that plenty have been jabbed. Things starting to get back to normal. Pubs and entertainment venues opening up, people socialising and going back to work. They’re long term benefits aren’t they?
As I said, can YOU provide evidence of there being no long term side effects?
(not government imposed 'benefits')

No you can't...

So don't side step the issue!
 
As I said, can YOU provide evidence of there being no long term side effects?
(not government imposed 'benefits')

No you can't...

So don't side step the issue!
How about those 'Doctor' sons you say you have. Have they got any evidence either way?
 
How about those 'Doctor' sons you say you have. Have they got any evidence either way?
They have 'evidence', but I don't divulge their information to internet stalkers...

As I said before, can YOU provide evidence of there being no long term side effects?

Yes or no?
 
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