central heating from a log burner

[Mottie]

I have burnt……plastic, waste oil in it so far

Well you bloody well shouldn't have.

 

[oldbutnotdead]

Here's one link to a generic wet woodburner setup, there are plenty more.
And at the moment in the UK electricity is between 3 and 4 times the cost of gas per kwh

 

[AstonHill]

Well you bloody well shouldn't have.

Why not?
I will say to you what I said to the pricks That need to be terminated by the fake vaccine on the builders hub and the mig welding forum "It is my house and I will do as I please in it!"

 

[AstonHill]

Here's one link to a generic wet woodburner setup, there are plenty more.

Great find!
But do we need all of those tanks up there though? Will just one not do?
Rhere are 4 ports on that stove where mine only has 2

And at the moment in the UK electricity is between 3 and 4 times the cost of gas per kwh

When I first got my first flat roundabout 9/11 was an inside job, My landlord said use the gas for heating, electric is about 3 times the price of it
How do other fuels like firewood coal and heating oil equate to this in cost per kwh?

 

[Mottie]

Why not?
I will say to you what I said to the pricks That need to be terminated by the fake vaccine on the builders hub and the mig welding forum "It is my house and I will do as I please in it!"

House? You have a house now?

 

[oldbutnotdead]

Great find!
But do we need all of those tanks up there though? Will just one not do?
Rhere are 4 ports on that stove where mine only has 2


When I first got my first flat roundabout 9/11 was an inside job, My landlord said use the gas for heating, electric is about 3 times the price of it
How do other fuels like firewood coal and heating oil equate to this in cost per kwh?

Google broken over there is it?

A Wood Stove or Central Heating, Which is Cheaper? (2022)

A wood burning stove may be cheaper to run than you think! Find out how much heating your house with firewood really costs

www.pentlandbiomass.com

That sketch shows a hot water cylinder. If you want hot water heated by your woodburner you'll need a dhw cylinder. There may be unvented dhw cylinders that are approved for direct connection to a woodburner but the simple solution (header tank) will be much cheaper and easier.

 

[oldbutnotdead]

Confused About Energy :: Fuel Prices

Current energy prices for a range of household fuels, including, gas, electric, economy 7, coal, smokeless coal, wood, LPG, propane, butane, heating oil (kerosene).

www.confusedaboutenergy.co.uk

Interesting - price/performance ratios have changed significantly since i last did these sums.

Which is odd. Gas price has doubled since i did these sums, smokeless cost has nearly doubled, firewood don't know never bought any.

 

[AstonHill]

Google broken over there is it?

A Wood Stove or Central Heating, Which is Cheaper? (2022)

A wood burning stove may be cheaper to run than you think! Find out how much heating your house with firewood really costs

www.pentlandbiomass.com

I would be mind full of that from someone wanting to sell you a wood burning stove. Still no mention of coal and heating oil prices though

That sketch shows a hot water cylinder.

the sketch shows an indirect water tank, a cold water tank and a feed expension tank

If you want hot water heated by your woodburner you'll need a dhw cylinder.

DHW???

There may be unvented dhw cylinders that are approved for direct connection to a woodburner but the simple solution (header tank) will be much cheaper and easier.

So a header tank is something I can just make myself right out of an old 45 gallon drum? and just one tank only?

 

[oldbutnotdead]

And your burner only having 2 ports on it reinforces what i suspected about it being quite low thermal output- possibly intended to only heat a Domestic Hot Water (DHW) cylinder.

Re the sketch.
You REQUIRE the Feed & Expansion tank (must be metal) to operate that wet woodburner. If you only have radiators connected then that's the only tank you'll need.

Do you know (or have any idea) what an indirect water tank is and what it does?

 

[AstonHill]

Confused About Energy :: Fuel Prices

Current energy prices for a range of household fuels, including, gas, electric, economy 7, coal, smokeless coal, wood, LPG, propane, butane, heating oil (kerosene).

www.confusedaboutenergy.co.uk

Interesting - price/performance ratios have changed significantly since i last did these sums.

Which is odd. Gas price has doubled since i did these sums, smokeless cost has nearly doubled, firewood don't know never bought any.

Thats another interesting one you post, though I guess it will depend upon when it was last updated.

The price I have been quoted for a bottle of calor gas now is stupid! (I only want it for cooking)
But that chart says that house cola is the cheapest! cant get any house coal round hear they wont sell it! Dave from Stockport Hes part of the movement recons there is a camp site in Poynton on top of the hill that you dont even need to dig it to get it

 

[oldbutnotdead]

House coal is banned for domestic use in England now.
LPG you can fill at the petrol stationBottled gas- yes it has gone mad. Have a look at these or similar if bottled gas is a permanent requirement .
Again not done the sums recently, looked about 5 years ago and i would have been in profit after the 5th bottle fill. But at the time i was only using 1 bottle a year (in the caravan) and mains gas was much cheaper at home.

 

[AstonHill]

House coal is banned for domestic use in England now.
LPG you can fill at the petrol stationBottled gas- yes it has gone mad. Have a look at these or similar if bottled gas is a permanent requirement .
Again not done the sums recently, looked about 5 years ago and i would have been in profit after the 5th bottle fill. But at the time i was only using 1 bottle a year (in the caravan) and mains gas was much cheaper at home.

So if I buy one of those bottles I can fill it up at Morrisons LPG pump?

What with thing like MI5 blowing up the Russian pipe line and stuff, gas is in short supply and hence over priced (they want everyone off of gas and on electric, its part of agenda 2030)

 

[oldbutnotdead]

So if I buy one of those bottles I can fill it up at Morrisons LPG pump?

What with thing like MI5 blowing up the Russian pipe line and stuff, gas is in short supply and hence over priced (they want everyone off of gas and on electric, its part of agenda 2030)

Yep, thats exactly the plan & vehicle LPG was a LOT cheaper than Calor etc. Calor etc does get cheaper if you have bigger bottles.

 

[muggles]

So you are saying it is unsafe to have a sealed system with no header tank? So dose my header need to be metal and air vented at the top then? and what size tank needed?


Is that on the boiler or the radiator?


Is this what they call Thermosiphon, I cant see it working i still see the need for the aid of a pump


Dont know

I can just about get a 22mm pipe inside of the pipe of the boiler, but dont the radiators use 15mm right?

It would be unsafe to seal the system with the stove you have, yes. You can use a plastic F&E tank provided it complies with the requirements for temperature resistance (I forget the precise British Standard number now).

Flow to the top of the boiler, return to the bottom. Ideally you'd have the same on the radiator.

Yes, it needs to thermosyphon. If you rely on a pump, and the pump stops operating for whatever reason, you will have a potentially dangerous situation which could lead to a steam explosion.

Yes, radiators use 15mm pipe, and it should be a maximum of 300mm of 15mm to connect the radiator before the pipe increases to 22mm diameter.

 

[AstonHill]

Yep, thats exactly the plan & vehicle LPG was a LOT cheaper than Calor etc. Calor etc does get cheaper if you have bigger bottles.

I dont see any prices on there web site! are they just the manufatures, where can you buy the bottles?