Chain gangs in UK

[festive]

Can anyone explain why we have prisons full of able young and older lads esp in lower risk and open prisons sitting there all day when they could be on litter duty local Labour work etc.. why the fck isn't there anything here aimed at utilising them?!

 

[JohnD]

is it because they would need POs to supervise them and exercise a modicum of control when roaming the streets?

If they weren't locked up, would they need more POs, or fewer?

 

[Newboy]

Can anyone explain why we have prisons full of able young and older lads esp in lower risk and open prisons sitting there all day when they could be on litter duty local Labour work etc.. why the fck isn't there anything here aimed at utilising them?!

Because the prison service has the aim of rehabilitating rather than punishing.

 

[Notch7]

Can anyone explain why we have prisons full of able young and older lads esp in lower risk and open prisons sitting there all day when they could be on litter duty local Labour work etc.. why the fck isn't there anything here aimed at utilising them?!

It costs too much.

 

[festive]

is it because they would need POs to supervise them and exercise a modicum of control when roaming the streets?

If they weren't locked up, would they need more POs, or fewer?

A good question. I've visited people in open prisons before and they've been pretty amicable and keen to be out. Most of them were out during the day as they are open prisons! This could be A precursor to open or during early open prison to help them rehab and aclimatise. If you're going to escape open prison on your own...

So I get it if they are if they are high risk category but not low. That should still work out cheaper than council contractors surely. I'm not convinced it would cost much tempted to do it myself!

I found this link but it's a bit old...

https://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/167034/Too-dangerous-for-chain-gangs-to-pick-up-litter

 

[gasbanni]

It costs too much.

Can anyone explain why we have prisons full of able young and older lads esp in lower risk and open prisons sitting there all day when they could be on litter duty local Labour work etc.. why the fck isn't there anything here aimed at utilising them?!

Because we're governed by numpties whether Labour or conservative, problems are envisaged when it just needs clarity of thought and purpose.
It's an old fashioned word "deterrent" viz https://www.theguardian.com/society...lies-should-lose-council-homes-urges-minister

From the article ..........Supt Nick Davies, the police commander in an area of north London in which at least 14 gangs reportedly operate, has said the power to threaten whole families in which a single member is linked to gangs “seems to be a particularly effective strategy in changing the behaviour” of the gang members. In an interview with the Sunday Times earlier this month, he insisted the “threshold for eviction is high”.

 

[motorbiking]

Isn’t community service this?

 

[Bodd]

If it was used to reward inmates coming closer to freedom.
In doing community service they would earn themselves points that would lead to a quicker realise date. Meaning less supervision, as their behaviour and work effort will be monitored in relation to early realise

 

[Notch7]

They could train prisoners to become plumbers. Give them 5 years free subs to gas safe and membership of the combustion chamber.

 

[Bodd]

They could train prisoners to become plumbers. Give them 5 years free subs to gas safe and membership of the combustion chamber.

As long as they trained them well and not too bash jobs out, then I'm all for it. Good idea!

 

[Vinty]

Because we're governed by numpties whether Labour or conservative, problems are envisaged when it just needs clarity of thought and purpose.
It's an old fashioned word "deterrent" viz https://www.theguardian.com/society...lies-should-lose-council-homes-urges-minister

From the article ..........Supt Nick Davies, the police commander in an area of north London in which at least 14 gangs reportedly operate, has said the power to threaten whole families in which a single member is linked to gangs “seems to be a particularly effective strategy in changing the behaviour” of the gang members. In an interview with the Sunday Times earlier this month, he insisted the “threshold for eviction is high”.

Holding families responsible for the actions of one its members is something that happens in countries like N. Korea.
One bloke does a bunk to S. Korea and his family gets rounded up and sent to a labour camp in reprisel.
Collective punishment by the state is illegal under international law i believe.

 

[Brigadier]

Don't they do this in amazon warehouses anyway?

 

[Vinty]

They could train prisoners to become plumbers. Give them 5 years free subs to gas safe and membership of the combustion chamber.

What about law abiding kids who can't get apprenticeships, maybe they should advise kids if they want a career they should try prison

 

[Brigadier]

What about law abiding kids who can't get apprenticeships, maybe they should advise kids if they want a career they should try prison

Like when I was a kid : either save up for a car, or pinch one, get caught, and get on a scheme where you did up old cars, and got to rag them around muddy fields.....

 

[Brigadier]

The squeaky wheel gets the oil.