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[Hairymelon]

I watched it this morning. The one he did yesterday was actually quite balanced for a change and there wasn't much I could disagree with.

I apologise then. So do you think he’s a charlatan or giving an accurate representation of the paper ?

 

[gas112]

Do you think the editor of the BMJ can stop the vaccination programme? Seems like a strange request...

Have doctors and specialist not used the BMJ for decades to raise their concerns by getting it into print and can you show me were he actually asks the editor to stop them he is voicing his concerns same as oncologists in other countries are doing.
But you obviously think you know better than the guy at the sharp end

 

[denso13]

Is measles real?

"Every pandemic and outbreak of infectious disease has had its conspiracy theories, at least since the bubonic plague of the 14th century."

Measles and conspiracy theories — Introduction to International & Global Studies

An outbreak of measles in Clark county Washington has led to at least 36 confirmed cases, and quite possibly a dozen more. A recent Oregonian newspaper article by Molly Harbarger had the title “Vancouver-area measles outbreak costs county $187,000 so far.” While we now view measles as a...

www.introtoglobalstudies.com

 

[denso13]

TBF I didn't say it has happened (nor did the Canadian guy)

He literally said, supposedly in 2020, "in a year your business will be closed".

You posted it with the heading "based gym guy who predicts everything (2020). Now you are saying it has always been the goal. I dispute that the goal is to close all businesses so the slave tier can only take handouts which will make the slaves more controllable.

You posted it, not me.

 

[denso13]

I apologise then. So do you think he’s a charlatan or giving an accurate representation of the paper ?

I agree with some of what he says. Other stuff is demonstrably wrong.

It's just amusing how, when asked for any sort of proof, his videos get posted. He is a doctor of nursing, with a large following, who makes a fortune from Youtube.

 

[Hairymelon]

What is your response to the information given in the first 3 minutes?

 

[denso13]

Have doctors and specialist not used the BMJ for decades to raise their concerns by getting it into print

Well he's done that, let's see how it goes.

 

[denso13]

What is your response to the information given in the first 3 minutes?

Interesting, but the paper itself is inconclusive.

"We emphasize that our investigation is preliminary, to point to the need for more involved analysis. The risks of serious AESIs in the trials represent only group averages. SAEs are unlikely to be distributed equally across the demographic subgroups enrolled in the trial, and the risks may be substantially less in some groups compared to others. Thus, knowing the actual demographics of those who experienced an increase in serious AESI in the vaccine group is necessary for a proper harm-benefit analysis. In addition, clinical studies are needed to see if particular SAEs can be linked to particular vaccine ingredients as opposed to unavoidable consequences of exposure to spike protein, as future vaccines could then be modified accordingly or sensitivities can be tested for in advance. In parallel, a systematic review and meta-analysis using individual participant data should be undertaken to address questions of harm-benefit in various demographic subgroups, particularly in those at low risk of serious complications from COVID-19. Finally, there is a pressing need for comparison of SAEs and harm-benefit for different vaccine types; some initial work has already begun in this direction."

Did he say that the paper said this, or did he imply it was a done deal and vaccines are bad?

 

[ajohn]

Just watch the first 2 mins

Whoops the jabs helped on this one 0 jabbed 2 unjabbed.
Myocardial infarction 0 (0.0, 0.0) 2 (0.0) (0.0, 0.0)

 

[denso13]

What is your response to the information given in the first 3 minutes?

Plus, he gave a shrug of his shoulders as to why the authors "had to go to Japan" to get their article printed. Big implication of another conspiracy with no basis.

 

[ajohn]

Aortic valve incompetence 0 (0.0, 0.0) 1 (0.0) another whoops

 

[ajohn]

Coronary artery occlusion 0 (0.0, 0.0) 1 (0.0) (0.0, 0.0)
Tachyarrhythmia 0 (0.0, 0.0) 1 (0.0) (0.0, 0.0)
Tachycardia 0 (0.0, 0.0) 1 (0.0) (0.0, 0.0)
Wow 3 whoops, being jabbed is clearly a good idea.

Interesting ones
Pneumonia 3 (0.0) (0.0, 0.0) 5 (0.0) (0.0, 0.1
INJURY, POISONING AND PROCEDURAL COMPLICATIONS 6 (0.0) (0.0, 0.1) 11 (0.1) (0.0, 0.1)

Investigated for some reason
Cardiac stress test abnormal 1 (0.0) (0.0, 0.0) 0 (0.0, 0.0)
Hepatic enzyme increased 0 (0.0, 0.0) 1 (0.0) (0.0, 0.0)
SARS-CoV-2 test positive 0 (0.0, 0.0) 1 (0.0) (0.0, 0.0)

Cerebral infarction 0 (0.0, 0.0) 1 (0.0) (0.0, 0.0)
Diplegia 0 (0.0, 0.0) 1 (0.0) (0.0, 0.0)
Dizziness 0 (0.0, 0.0) 1 (0.0) (0.0, 0.0)
Haemorrhagic stroke 0 (0.0, 0.0) 1 (0.0) (0.0, 0.0)
Hemiplegic migraine 0 (0.0, 0.0) 1 (0.0) (0.0, 0.0)

Abortion spontaneous incomplete 0 (0.0, 0.0) 1 (0.0) (0.0, 0.0)

Suicidal ideation 0 (0.0, 0.0) 2 (0.0) (0.0, 0.0)
Bipolar disorder 0 (0.0, 0.0) 1 (0.0) (0.0, 0.0)
Mental disorder 1 (0.0) (0.0, 0.0) 0 (0.0, 0.0)
Psychotic disorder 1 (0.0) (0.0, 0.0) 0 (0.0, 0.0)
Suicide attempt 0 (0.0, 0.0) 1 (0.0) (0.0, 0.0)

Finaly
Table 23. Number (%) of Subjects Reporting at Least 1 Serious Adverse Event From Dose 1 to 1 Month After Dose 2, by System Organ Class and Preferred Term – ~38000 Subjects for Phase 2/3 Analysis – Safety Population Vaccine Group (as Administered) BNT162b2 (30 μg) (Na=18801) Placebo (Na=18785) System Organ Class Preferred Term nb (%) (95% CIc) nb (%) (95% CIc)

Hypertensive urgency 1 (0.0) (0.0, 0.0) 0 (0.0, 0.0)

1 in 38,000 and no one had fatal or ever lasting effects.

 

[ajohn]

I apologise then. So do you think he’s a charlatan or giving an accurate representation of the paper ?

He aught to know that the statistics used aren't really suitable and normal population rates on many complications will be known.

The other factor is that jabs have reduced the need for precautions. Less people needing treatment. There are 2 distinct prongs to that aspect. The other one is being able to treat. Too many of those will result in far more deaths as treament services would be overloaded. This is what lockdowns are for.

 

[Hairymelon]

What is your response to the information given in the first 3 minutes
Is it true that previous vaccines have been pulled for far lower adverse reports or not ?

 

[Deleted member 18243]

Thick c**t.

Eloquent.

Almost Shakespearean

Noseall has admitted to making figures up; and I exposed lies by both Denso and John D, so don't take too much notice of anything they come out with.