But that better stuff is not a product that lasts a few years, and much less than the material it is supposed to be sealing.
Code of lead for a raised ridge / parapet?
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But that better stuff is not a product that lasts a few years, and much less than the material it is supposed to be sealing.
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I get that.
First it was 10 years, now it's "a few years"... it's deteriorating in front of my very eyes!
First it was 10 years, now it's "a few years"... it's deteriorating in front of my very eyes!
I wouldn't know where to start looking for specialist leadworkers. I just got in touch with 3 Roofers and sent them the image of my house before they came around. I don't think they're angling for work they're not capable of at all. There's houses like this all over Sheffield and two of the guys regaled me with stories of jobs they'd done very like this in the past... all very believable. You're trying to create FUD in my mind; not sure what it gets you.
If your roofers, who have done loads of work like this, are suggesting using Code 4 and Leadmate, then they are clearly angling for work which they are not capable of.
The problem is that you don't want to believe anything else. It's your roof and your money, just use the Code 4 and Leadmate.
The problem is that you don't want to believe anything else. It's your roof and your money, just use the Code 4 and Leadmate.
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Actually, no. The problem is that you seem to enjoy sniping at threads and offering advice that you don't actually bother to back up.
Saying "it's physics" is a great get-out for you - much better than posting a link to somewhere that offers sound advice based on empirical evidence or industry guidance, or even your own experience (you've said nothing to back it up - it still doesn't mean you're wrong - and that's why I'm asking in the first place - but you aren't actually being helpful, don't you see that?).
Saying Lead Mate last 10 years, then a few years... how many years is it? ...while your point might indeed be valid it is actually belittled in value by your alarmist reduction in its lifetime over the course of a few thread posts.
I would certainly appreciate you not providing your 'input' to the thread any more. Try to take a few notes on how other folk respond in a helpful manner, you can certainly learn something. I'm here to listen to the forum... and, trust me, I am listening and I will be going back with some thoughts and I am willing to spend more for a job I can be confident in - it's why I'm asking so there's no point you saying I'm ignoring what I'm hearing - you don't know that, I'm just offering a counterpoint. You just rub me up the wrong way, I think. The problem is clearly with you, not with me.
Saying "it's physics" is a great get-out for you - much better than posting a link to somewhere that offers sound advice based on empirical evidence or industry guidance, or even your own experience (you've said nothing to back it up - it still doesn't mean you're wrong - and that's why I'm asking in the first place - but you aren't actually being helpful, don't you see that?).
Saying Lead Mate last 10 years, then a few years... how many years is it? ...while your point might indeed be valid it is actually belittled in value by your alarmist reduction in its lifetime over the course of a few thread posts.
I would certainly appreciate you not providing your 'input' to the thread any more. Try to take a few notes on how other folk respond in a helpful manner, you can certainly learn something. I'm here to listen to the forum... and, trust me, I am listening and I will be going back with some thoughts and I am willing to spend more for a job I can be confident in - it's why I'm asking so there's no point you saying I'm ignoring what I'm hearing - you don't know that, I'm just offering a counterpoint. You just rub me up the wrong way, I think. The problem is clearly with you, not with me.
Sorry chuck. Would you prefer someone to just stroke your head and tickle you under the chin?
It's clear that you know all about lead, and I have a problem. Thanks for that. But I'd still like to pop in just for the comedy value, if it's all right with you. Even if it's not all right with you.
The reason to do the Lead in the manner I described is so that the Lead can move and expand contract
As soon as you stick the lead with Leadmate or any other sealant you will stop the movement of the lead and it will buckle and split. That is a fact, do not waste your money with these people the work will not last
As soon as you stick the lead with Leadmate or any other sealant you will stop the movement of the lead and it will buckle and split. That is a fact, do not waste your money with these people the work will not last
You have a historical property and its not a roofers job to work on such properties
unless they are old school and then they would be talking about 5 lb lead and not code 4 lead. You have been advised to find a lead worker for that detailed work,
If you don't then I think you are foolish. There are lots of other things on the market but they are not for your type of property and they don't last long.
unless they are old school and then they would be talking about 5 lb lead and not code 4 lead. You have been advised to find a lead worker for that detailed work,
If you don't then I think you are foolish. There are lots of other things on the market but they are not for your type of property and they don't last long.
It's clear that you know all about lead, and I have a problem. Thanks for that. But I'd still like to pop in just for the comedy value, if it's all right with you. Even if it's not all right with you.
Ha, I can take dealing with idiots who obtain their sense of self-worth in life by trying to get others to rise to them, don't worry. It's called trolling - you're a fine example. Maybe you should go to work... if you have a job. If you do have a job, I suspect it's something menial.
I'm genuinely confused as to what's detailed about it? Does the picture and diagram put that into the "detailed bracket"?
I'm surprised if so. It's shaping some lead over a parapet... is that really classed as some kind of arcane skill? It seems really simple to me - not that I'd ever do it (or want to do it) but, I mean, we're not talking about St. Paul's Cathedral or St. Pancras Station here... it's not overly intricate in its nature. It's a couple of folds and some joints.
What I do like about what's being said by everyone is the difference between methods of affixing the lead. On one hand I am concerned about using gloop (for the reasons highlighted to me), on the other hand I'm concerned about new holes being driven into what's already there and [risking] destroying its current integrity.
The work you want done is simple for a Lead worker but it is beyond the ability of most roofers.
Lead work is tradionaly done by plumbers. Most roofers are fine for a bit of flashing but can not cut and burn lead.
It is like asking a mechanic to spray your car because he regularly works on cars,
Lead work is tradionaly done by plumbers. Most roofers are fine for a bit of flashing but can not cut and burn lead.
It is like asking a mechanic to spray your car because he regularly works on cars,
I had not realised most lead work on roofs would be in the realm of a Plumber, that's a serious eye-opener and is certainly non-intuitive for a lay-person. Anyway, things have happened over the weekend... one guy has told me that he's been contemplating the job and he thinks lead is "a massive over kill" - he's now musing "...the liquid rubber type products would be sufficient to provide a watertight seal with maybe some lead bonded over the couple of areas".
Obviously it's easier for him than you guys because he's had eyes on the job. I had not envisaged this as a possibility.
This would obviously be much cheaper. The liquid rubber being discussed is Isoflex. This seems to be yet another Thompson's product!!! It claims to be good for "up to 20 years".
The thing is - I already have 10 tins of this bought (£400) for the horizontal ridge bit that sticks out. With the Flashband mentioned that should be pretty good, I think.
The lead I need, Code 4, mind, alone, for giving the parapet a top-hat is £2,200 (Code 5 would be, obviously, quite a bit more).
There's more than one way to skin a cat.
It will certainly keep the water out - I might just be here in 20 years if you post back and tell us how it held up
Mebbe I can afford to re-do it in 10..?
I think it's probably worth a shot. If it doesn't work it's a £400 learning experience and I can still go for the lead top-hat. Still pondering the right way to go and, after all, that's what I'm here to learn.
I think it's probably worth a shot. If it doesn't work it's a £400 learning experience and I can still go for the lead top-hat. Still pondering the right way to go and, after all, that's what I'm here to learn.
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