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Commons Statement on Hillsborough
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There was some complete and utter fool who got a tattoo saying 96 was not enough.....was that you by any chance or are you just a complete and utter fool anyhow
No that wasn't me. Maybe it was one of your cousins?
Well lets hope the image stays because it shows up some of these uncaring barstewards.
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But why was the fence put up in the first place.
Nothing to do with the yobs and morons that were in the stands before that night.
I believe it went something like keeping the animals in.
Totally agree. Though lets face it, real "animals" have brains.
Unlike you
Then he wrote
Which one of your brain cells worked that one out?
and I am still claiming that....if you can find one piece of evidence that shows they did?
if not, which you wont......then go play with your dolls or something.
That image wont stay....and I still fail to see anyone pushing.....
Its funny though, knowing your sat there typing all this bile, knowing that you wouldnt dare say it to the face of someone involved. prick and a coward really.......and yeah that was an insult!
I just can't believe this thread, we have a disaster at hillsborough that the establishment have lied about for 23 years, the families affected are finally vindicated and we still have those still prepared to believe the lies.
Unlike the idiots searching for their "push" theory in utter desperation and others blaming scousers, i have stood on that leppings lane terrace, and at a time of a reported crush.
1981 fa cup semi final spurs v wolves, us spurs fans are allocated the leppings lane end, travel problems on the roads mean fans arrive in sheffield later than intended. Anyone who has been to hillsborough would know that the turnstle area is located at the bottom of a bowl, with so few turnstiles for that end it has always had a history of large crowds gathering. Those in charge should have had ticket checkpoints set up a half mile or so from the ground, they didn't which led to congestion at the turnstiles. I believe they failed to set up check points in 89 as well.
In 81 there was the same build up outside the turnstiles and the police opened gate C and in we went. You buy your ticket thinking the stand your walking into has had its capacity tested, you have faith that the authorities know what their doing. We walked down the slope which is the tunnel and onto the terrace, and those looking to blame pushing haven't got a clue, a terrace is a series of DOWNWARD facing steps, you find your spot and in a large crowd there is a natural sway of movement, but it is certainly not pushing. There was a number of factors why there was no deaths that day, there way no lateral fences which meant we could at least move sideways, and a policeman opened the gate in the perimeter fence.
I had been to hundreds of games before this one and let me tell you i have never felt crushing like i did that day, i was struggling to breath on countless occasions. I saw a couple of lads trying to climb the fence to escape the crush only for old bill to come down hard with the batons. I have no doubt the police were just as helpful in 89. The gates were opened after much pleading and fans were let on to the pitch side, but not before 38 spurs fans suffered broken arms, legs ribs etc. I know the opening of the perimeter gate EARLY saved lives that day, but i have always questioned the capacity of that terrace.
The news of this crushing was relegated to the odd column as on the same day the Brixton riots started.
For those who want to blame scousers for everything, you do know there have been many instances of crushing in british football. Burnden park bolton 1946 33 deaths due to overcrowding, 1971 Ibrox park 66 deaths due to crushing, in fact Manchester united visited hillsborough for a FA cup semi final in 1957 and quess what? More crushing!
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/fo...United-fans-32-years-before-1989-tragedy.html
Crushing in 81 then banned for 5 years from holding another semi, 1987 Leeds united visit hillsborough, more crushing, 88 crushing occurs again.
To sum up the lepping lane end had a history of crushing incidents going back at least to the 1950's and no one heeded the warnings.
Fact number two Hillsborough did not have a safety certificate from 1979 yes TEN BLOODY YEARS. Bramwall lane sheffield united ground did not have one either at the time of the hillsborough disaster.
I have read all the trolls posts, hang your heads in shame. The local council, sheffield wednesday the FA and most importanly the police ARE ALL RESPONCIBLE for the deaths of 96 innocents.
The transcripts of the coppers in the police control room watching the CCTV are a joke if the event wasn't so serious, please tell me how senoir officers can tell that fans walking in a stadium are drunk and ticketless?
Are the cameras so good that they can smell a persons breath and if he's got a ticket or not?
Ten years at least for all those lying corrupt policemen, but please let it be Walton Prison.
Unlike the idiots searching for their "push" theory in utter desperation and others blaming scousers, i have stood on that leppings lane terrace, and at a time of a reported crush.
1981 fa cup semi final spurs v wolves, us spurs fans are allocated the leppings lane end, travel problems on the roads mean fans arrive in sheffield later than intended. Anyone who has been to hillsborough would know that the turnstle area is located at the bottom of a bowl, with so few turnstiles for that end it has always had a history of large crowds gathering. Those in charge should have had ticket checkpoints set up a half mile or so from the ground, they didn't which led to congestion at the turnstiles. I believe they failed to set up check points in 89 as well.
In 81 there was the same build up outside the turnstiles and the police opened gate C and in we went. You buy your ticket thinking the stand your walking into has had its capacity tested, you have faith that the authorities know what their doing. We walked down the slope which is the tunnel and onto the terrace, and those looking to blame pushing haven't got a clue, a terrace is a series of DOWNWARD facing steps, you find your spot and in a large crowd there is a natural sway of movement, but it is certainly not pushing. There was a number of factors why there was no deaths that day, there way no lateral fences which meant we could at least move sideways, and a policeman opened the gate in the perimeter fence.
I had been to hundreds of games before this one and let me tell you i have never felt crushing like i did that day, i was struggling to breath on countless occasions. I saw a couple of lads trying to climb the fence to escape the crush only for old bill to come down hard with the batons. I have no doubt the police were just as helpful in 89. The gates were opened after much pleading and fans were let on to the pitch side, but not before 38 spurs fans suffered broken arms, legs ribs etc. I know the opening of the perimeter gate EARLY saved lives that day, but i have always questioned the capacity of that terrace.
The news of this crushing was relegated to the odd column as on the same day the Brixton riots started.
For those who want to blame scousers for everything, you do know there have been many instances of crushing in british football. Burnden park bolton 1946 33 deaths due to overcrowding, 1971 Ibrox park 66 deaths due to crushing, in fact Manchester united visited hillsborough for a FA cup semi final in 1957 and quess what? More crushing!
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/fo...United-fans-32-years-before-1989-tragedy.html
Crushing in 81 then banned for 5 years from holding another semi, 1987 Leeds united visit hillsborough, more crushing, 88 crushing occurs again.
To sum up the lepping lane end had a history of crushing incidents going back at least to the 1950's and no one heeded the warnings.
Fact number two Hillsborough did not have a safety certificate from 1979 yes TEN BLOODY YEARS. Bramwall lane sheffield united ground did not have one either at the time of the hillsborough disaster.
I have read all the trolls posts, hang your heads in shame. The local council, sheffield wednesday the FA and most importanly the police ARE ALL RESPONCIBLE for the deaths of 96 innocents.
The transcripts of the coppers in the police control room watching the CCTV are a joke if the event wasn't so serious, please tell me how senoir officers can tell that fans walking in a stadium are drunk and ticketless?
Are the cameras so good that they can smell a persons breath and if he's got a ticket or not?
Ten years at least for all those lying corrupt policemen, but please let it be Walton Prison.
Excellent post billynick, I'm delighted that you've told the story of 81 from the viewpoint of someone who was there.
It won't make no never minds to the idiots posting on here though. Some of whom have never even been to a football match.
It won't make no never minds to the idiots posting on here though. Some of whom have never even been to a football match.
joe 90, if you must argue about football at least have some knowledge of the subject otherwise people might think your an ignorant troll, and we wouldn't want that would we.So the pubs are empty on match day then?
Why would they need to check tickets half a mile away if they all had tickets?
Whose side of the argument are you on?
With an extra 50.000 plus people traveling to sheffield that day you can imagine there would be hold ups on the way, and there was, many fans turned up late, therefore the pubs didn't do such a roaring trade as you would like to think.
Mind you i wasn't aware that drinking at any social or sporting event was against the law. After an extensive enquiry by the talyor report they found despite the police lies in their proven cover up that drinking played no part in the events that day.
If you had any knowledge of major football matches you would know that ticket checkpoints have two major functions, number 1 Hillsborough has always had crowd problems at the leppings lane end of the ground, mainly due to the lay of the land there and far and away too few turnstiles to cope with the number of fans. Checkpoints would slow the arrival of fans at the turnstiles thereby having a steady flow of fans arriving at the gates rather than everyone arriving together causing congestion.
In 1988 checkpoints were in operation, result no crushing at the turnstiles, its simple common sense solution that even the biggest tool could understand, makes me wonder why you asked?
The second reason for checkpoints is it filters out ticketless fans so they can't get near the vicinity of the ground. Here again we refer back to the taylor report which i'm sure you have studied? Hillsborough has a computerised counting system, they could tell how many people had entered the ground at any given time and any given stand or even any given turnstile.
The taylor report spent much time studying the leppings lane end for obvious reasons, computerised countbacks and head counts from 71 hours of film footage, revealed that at no time did the leppings lane end exceed its allocation, thus destroying the ticketless fans myth that came from one place and one place only, THE POLICE.
So joe, who's side am i on, well I'll tell you, I'm on the side of TRUTH and JUSTICE tell me what's your agenda when you throw your next stupid question.
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Hillsborough had for decades been the choice of ground for quarter/semi finals. Lots of big crowds. Why don't you know that? You are not one of those silly trolls I've read about are you? It's just that in other games they didn't arrive late. A football crowd that doesn't push? Are you on drugs?
I'm fully aware of the games that Hillsborough has staged, it also has a history of crushing incidents going back at least to the 1950's, that i wrote about in my first post. People arrived late in all those other games too, thats the nature of the beast, if you had any knowledge of football matches at all you would know the vast majority of fans arrive 20 minutes or less before kick off.Hillsborough had for decades been the choice of ground for quarter/semi finals. Lots of big crowds. Why don't you know that? You are not one of those silly trolls I've read about are you? It's just that in other games they didn't arrive late. A football crowd that doesn't push? Are you on drugs?
Most of your stupid questions were answered in the taylor report, that was published in january 1990, i think its high time you read it. The big boys report came out last week, its available online for all to see.
Among its findings you will find that liverpool fans are completly exonerated from any blame. I know i understand this news may take a little while longer to sink in, but I'm sure your doctor will have something to help.
Also in last weeks independant report it found that the police illegally changed over 164 statements, which even in a banana republic they would find outrageous, i was wondering joe what you thought of that? And what do YOU think about the Police and their criminal cover up? I ask this joe purely because you seem very eager to get to the truth, i don't want to push you, then again you seem to like pushing.
I'm fully aware of the games that Hillsborough has staged, it also has a history of crushing incidents going back at least to the 1950's, that i wrote about in my first post. People arrived late in all those other games too, thats the nature of the beast, if you had any knowledge of football matches at all you would know the vast majority of fans arrive 20 minutes or less before kick off.Hillsborough had for decades been the choice of ground for quarter/semi finals. Lots of big crowds. Why don't you know that? You are not one of those silly trolls I've read about are you? It's just that in other games they didn't arrive late. A football crowd that doesn't push? Are you on drugs?
Most of your stupid questions were answered in the taylor report, that was published in january 1990, i think its high time you read it. The big boys report came out last week, its available online for all to see.
Among its findings you will find that liverpool fans are completly exonerated from any blame. I know i understand this news may take a little while longer to sink in, but I'm sure your doctor will have something to help.
Also in last weeks independant report it found that the police illegally changed over 164 statements, which even in a banana republic they would find outrageous, i was wondering joe what you thought of that? And what do YOU think about the Police and their criminal cover up? I ask this joe purely because you seem very eager to get to the truth, i don't want to push you, then again you seem to like pushing.
The people who KNOW THE TRUTH-- wont speak up for obvious reasons . They know who they are . They are quite happy for others to 'carry the can'.
I'm fully aware of the games that Hillsborough has staged, it also has a history of crushing incidents going back at least to the 1950's, that i wrote about in my first post. People arrived late in all those other games too, thats the nature of the beast, if you had any knowledge of football matches at all you would know the vast majority of fans arrive 20 minutes or less before kick off.Hillsborough had for decades been the choice of ground for quarter/semi finals. Lots of big crowds. Why don't you know that? You are not one of those silly trolls I've read about are you? It's just that in other games they didn't arrive late. A football crowd that doesn't push? Are you on drugs?
Most of your stupid questions were answered in the taylor report, that was published in january 1990, i think its high time you read it. The big boys report came out last week, its available online for all to see.
Among its findings you will find that liverpool fans are completly exonerated from any blame. I know i understand this news may take a little while longer to sink in, but I'm sure your doctor will have something to help.
Also in last weeks independant report it found that the police illegally changed over 164 statements, which even in a banana republic they would find outrageous, i was wondering joe what you thought of that? And what do YOU think about the Police and their criminal cover up? I ask this joe purely because you seem very eager to get to the truth, i don't want to push you, then again you seem to like pushing.
The people who KNOW THE TRUTH-- wont speak up for obvious reasons . They know who they are . They are quite happy for others to 'carry the can'.
The people who KNOW THE TRUTH -did not speak up for obvious reasons .They know who they are,they were quite happy for 23 years for others to carry the can.........and guess what they have now been found out....justice will be done no matter what you think.
How much more evidence do you need....ffs
We all want the truth, but will we ever be told why public servants paid by our taxes are allowed to keep documents which aren’t a matter of national security secret from the public for years on end.I'm fully aware of the games that Hillsborough has staged, it also has a history of crushing incidents going back at least to the 1950's, that i wrote about in my first post. People arrived late in all those other games too, thats the nature of the beast, if you had any knowledge of football matches at all you would know the vast majority of fans arrive 20 minutes or less before kick off.Hillsborough had for decades been the choice of ground for quarter/semi finals. Lots of big crowds. Why don't you know that? You are not one of those silly trolls I've read about are you? It's just that in other games they didn't arrive late. A football crowd that doesn't push? Are you on drugs?
Most of your stupid questions were answered in the taylor report, that was published in january 1990, i think its high time you read it. The big boys report came out last week, its available online for all to see.
Among its findings you will find that liverpool fans are completly exonerated from any blame. I know i understand this news may take a little while longer to sink in, but I'm sure your doctor will have something to help.
Also in last weeks independant report it found that the police illegally changed over 164 statements, which even in a banana republic they would find outrageous, i was wondering joe what you thought of that? And what do YOU think about the Police and their criminal cover up? I ask this joe purely because you seem very eager to get to the truth, i don't want to push you, then again you seem to like pushing.
The people who KNOW THE TRUTH-- wont speak up for obvious reasons . They know who they are . They are quite happy for others to 'carry the can'.
To many so called public servants think they are our masters, they think we exist purely to provide them with position, when in fact their position exists to provide us a service, and one we bloody well pay for.
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