I dont think the thread has lost its way as its shown that no matter what evidence is put forward and no matter how concise it is its never enough for those that since the internet has evolved have detracted themselves from the real world . for them if something bad happens in their world you simply just press delete and then its all made better.
Commons Statement on Hillsborough
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Is this the same person who said he would not again stoop to insults ?.
yes it is.
Just goes to show.
I have more compassion in my little finger than you have in your whole body buddy. However- i reserve my compassion for those causes that deserve it.
The people who died that day, the police men and women who have to live with that nasty experience every day of their lives and also ambulencemen who couldnt get near the scene and help people due to the congestion .
All YOU know is what you have read and what you have heard.
I deal in facts - simple as that.
Now- please stop knocking me and anyone else who just happen not to agree with your views.
If you dont like to read my comments- please block all my posts .
You really need to take a 'rain check'.
peter imperfection you reallly do believe your own cr4p dont you . Give it up eh?
I am still intrigued as to just what do the people of Liverpool want ??.
They have got a answer re- the enquiry that they wanted to hear-- so- what do they want now ?.
Seems nobody can provide a true answer in plain simple English .
And- if you want people charged and prosecuted-- what sentence would make you happy ? And- where does it all stop ?.
It will never stop- because that is the way it seems to be .
You dont see the people of Heysell carrying on about things after all these years-- and they REALLY had something to complain about .
Different folks- different strokes .
They have got a answer re- the enquiry that they wanted to hear-- so- what do they want now ?.
Seems nobody can provide a true answer in plain simple English .
And- if you want people charged and prosecuted-- what sentence would make you happy ? And- where does it all stop ?.
It will never stop- because that is the way it seems to be .
You dont see the people of Heysell carrying on about things after all these years-- and they REALLY had something to complain about .
Different folks- different strokes .
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WRONG all the familys ever wanted was the truth and justice for those in authority that lied so dont go there joe no compensation subsitutes a life
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bow back out
Look at what I said in the quotes.
Now read what billynick wrote, in reply to another post from me
Billy lays the blame on at least THREE groups of people, all of whom should share culpability.
Some on here have also blamed the ambulance services, for only having one ambulance on the pitch. Yet it was SYP who stopped ambulances from entering the stadium, so can someone tell me how the ambulance service can take any blame, when they were (for all practical reasons) stopped from doing so, by the police ?
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I would dare bet that sometime in the future, compensation will be mentioned by lawyers acting on behalf of those who lost family members.
Another scouser knocking me !! why does that not surprise me ?.
3 or 4 scousers and a Yorkie -- main instigators .Everyone of them insulting me and others on a personal level.
I can handle that -it's no big deal .
Like I said to last person who insulted me --if you dont want to read my comments- block me from your viewings.
You cant though- can you ? because deep down you love and invite conflict.
I have not heard or seen one comment from any of the families requesting/demanding compensation.
They just want the people responsible to be held to account for their actions/failings.
Stop your tunnel vision that anyone just wants money. The subject has never been raised by any of the victims families.
They just want the people responsible to be held to account for their actions/failings.
Stop your tunnel vision that anyone just wants money. The subject has never been raised by any of the victims families.
And I'd bet they would have instructed lawyers the day after the enquiry . It's ongoing now- 99% sure .
If all they wanted was the truth - and are happy now they seem to have it-- why oh why dont they call the pack of wolves off and let matters rest ??.
get real- for Gods sake- this saga will go on for another 20 years at least .
Lets see who has had the bulk of compensation joe, now if you must debate honestly, do some bloody homework.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...r=/home/search.html?s=&authornamef=Rob+Preece
Traumatised Hillsborough police got compensation payouts THIRTY TIMES higher on average than families whose children were killed in the tragedy
Sixteen police officers received compensation totalling £1.5million in the aftermath of the disaster
Parents whose children were killed received £3,500 plus funeral expenses
Ninety-six Liverpool fans were crushed to death at the football stadium in April 1989
Compensation details revealed in papers which show police covered up their role in the tragedy
Police officers who claimed trauma after the Hillsborough Disaster were given more than £90,000 in compensation on average, while families of children killed in the tragedy typically received only £3,500.
Families of the victims today spoke of their anger as it emerged that 16 officers received payments totalling £1.5million in the aftermath of the event.
The average payout for officers was £93,000 - 30 times the statutory level of compensation received by parents whose children were among the 96 Liverpool supporters crushed to death at the football stadium in Sheffield in 1989.
Some of the bereaved claim they received as little as £1,000.
The shocking imbalance - revealed in papers published this week by the Hillsborough Independent Panel - has caused more upset to families who waited 23 years for justice after details of the disaster were covered up by police.
Trevor Hicks suffered post-traumatic stress disorder (PTSD) after his daughters Vicky, 15, and Sarah, 19, were killed at the FA Cup semi-final between Liverpool and Nottingham Forest.
He said he received a fraction of the amount received by some of the police officers who were on duty that day.
Mr Hicks, president of the Hillsborough Family Support Group (HFSG), told the People: 'Many who lost family members have received nothing. Yet we are seeing large amounts awarded to people who perhaps shouldn't have taken jobs in the first place.
'It should be fair and equitable for all. This is double standards.'
Margaret Aspinall, who lost her son James, 18, in the tragedy, said she received only £1,200.
'There are people who think we got millions,' she said. 'That couldn't be further from the truth.'
The panel's report stated: 'In cases that concerned the death of children, their parents received no more than the statutory bereavement allowance of £3,500 and funeral expenses.
'Cases that concerned the death of adults survived by dependants resulted in higher payments.
'Compensation for those who endured physical or psychological injury was assessed on the nature and extent of the injury, resulting loss of earnings or any ongoing medical costs.'
The panel found that compensation claims from South Yorkshire Police (SYP) officers 'caused considerable tension within the force'.
It states: 'Senior officers viewed the claims with "great concern" and junior officers felt "immense pressure" from the force to withdraw them.'
The report continues: '£1.5million was ultimately paid out by SYP to 16 officers.
'The costs were met from the force's employers' insurance cover.'
The damning report revealed a cover-up took place to shift the blame on to the victims and that 41 of the 96 lives lost could have been saved.
The panel found 164 police statements were altered, 116 of them to remove or alter 'unfavourable' comments about the policing of the match and the unfolding disaster.
Reviews have been ordered by police authorities in West Yorkshire, into the actions of Chief Constable Sir Norman Bettison, who was a senior South Yorkshire officer at the time, and West Midlands, which conducted an investigation into the disaster.
South Yorkshire Police, which still employs 195 officers who were on duty at the ground on the day of the tragedy, said the force would refer itself to the Independent Police Complaints Commission.
The HFSG today met for the first time since the report's publication to decide discuss the next step in its campaign for justice for the victims.
High-profile lawyers for the campaign, Michael Mansfield QC and Lord Falconer, were due to appear at the meeting at Liverpool's Anfield stadium via an internet videolink.
Mrs Aspinall, who chairs the group, said: 'We are going to be taking legal advice to find out what we do next. We have got to make sure we are all singing from the same hymn sheet.'
Mr Hicks said: 'We will be looking at all the options and seeing where we go from here. I think it's almost certain now that there will be fresh inquests.'
Following the three-and-a-half hour meeting, Trevor Hicks and Margaret Aspinall gave a statement to the media in which they expressed their desire for the inquest verdicts to be overturned and new ones to be held in Liverpool.
Mr Hicks said: 'This goes beyond Hillsborough. What happened on Wednesday was a disgrace to the nation, not just the families. This goes across society.'
A statement on behalf of the HFSG, said: 'The findings of the Hillsborough Independent Panel have finally vindicated the families in their 23-year struggle to establish the truth.
'However, after truth must come justice. We have spoken today to our lawyers and taken initial advice.
'As the families have always believed and insisted, it was the actions and inaction of those in authority that caused the deaths at Hillsborough n April 15, 1989.
'The fans did not contribute to the tragedy. Any blame previously laid at their door has been shown to be part of a despicable conspiracy by those in authority to tarnish the reputations of the dead, the survivors of the disaster and the people of Liverpool. This conspiracy has been revealed for what it is; a bid to avoid accountability.
'Those responsible can avoid accountability no longer.'
Remembered: The names of all the 96 Hillsborough victims are displayed at St George's Place in Liverpool city centre following the publication of the panel's report
The statement said the families strongly condemn the comments made this week by Sir Norman Bettison. It says the 'monumental' scale of the wrongdoing and cover up will leave an 'indelible stain on the reputations of those authorities in whom the public implicitly placed their trust.'
The HFSG are now looking at three particular avenues to follow up: they are urging the attorney general to apply for new inquests, demanding full and immediate investigations into criminal prosecutions and, where appropriate, applying for civil proceedings to be reopened.
A spokesman for South Yorkshire Police said: 'Compensation tariffs for personal injury or conditions such as post traumatic stress disorder are defined by law.
'The payments received by officers, victims and families of victims following the Hillsborough Disaster were not determined by South Yorkshire Police.'
And would they not be justified ? answer that one but as i've said no amount of money brings back a loved one its never been about the the money ffsIt's all being driven by lawyers who would get a huge multi-million pound payout. You are being used as stooges. Why can't you see that? If the police admits liability - compo claims will be flying. Joe-90 is never wrong.
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