Commons Statement on Hillsborough

[snico]

Is there any chance we can get you banned

Well, if you can time out from swearing and name calling for a minute, why not take the time to complain to the moderators?

It was the police who utterly failed on that day

I do not deny that they utterly failed in their duty, but that doesnt mean it is wholley their responsibility.

You would do it yourself would you, would you push people in a rush to get in?

If people at these events didn't push, there would have been no crowd control issues for the police to mess up.

And that's before we even discuss such "distasteful" opinions such as people turning up without tickets, despite being told not to.




I think it's a disgusting attitude that you can say it's OK for people in a crowd to push each other, what ever happened to common decency and manners?

Who said I have not already alerted the moderators?

Like I said before, read the report....no ticketless fans or fans pushing where to blame for Hillsborough, now time for you to grow up I think.

 

[AronSearle]

read the report....no ticketless fans or fans pushing where to blame for Hillsborough

I don't care that the "official" report didn't blame them, that's not to say that they were not there, that they didn't push, that that didn't contribute.

Did you really think an official report, in this day and age, would ever come out and say "it's partly the fans fault for pushing".

We live in an era were the authorities are "responsible", and individuals are absolved of responsibility.

now time for you to grow up I think.

I have not resorted to insults, I have not misquoted or lied.

I simply hold an opinion which you disagree with, that the fans were partly to blame as much as anyone else for the crush.

Who here needs to grow up, who here keeps namecalling?

 

[snico]

read the report....no ticketless fans or fans pushing where to blame for Hillsborough

I don't care that the "official" report didn't blame them, that's not to say that they were not there, that they didn't push, that that didn't contribute.

Did you really think an official report, in this day and age, would ever come out and say "it's partly the fans fault for pushing".

We live in an era were the authorities are "responsible", and individuals are absolved of responsibility.

now time for you to grow up I think.

I have not resorted to insults, I have not misquoted or lied.

I simply hold an opinion which you disagree with, that the fans were partly to blame as much as anyone else for the crush.

Who here needs to grow up, who here keeps namecalling?

Your opinion though has no backing, it is what you want to believe, and has no basis what so ever. Your logic behind th disaster is 100% incorrect....yet you still believe what you say.

Not got time for your pathetic opinions anymore.

 

[ellal]

Like I said before, read the report....no ticketless fans or fans pushing where to blame for Hillsborough, now time for you to grow up I think.

Softus wouldn't grow up, so why would AronSearle ?...

Give up on the troll is my advice...

 

[snico]

Like I said before, read the report....no ticketless fans or fans pushing where to blame for Hillsborough, now time for you to grow up I think.

Softus wouldn't grow up, so why would AronSearle ?...

Give up on the troll is my advice...

Probably right...no point trying to educate someone like him.

 

[sooey]

I don't know who wrote this, but it I think it deserves to be read.

Well there you have it.

You now know your worth to the establishment.

Even dying in the most tragic horrendous circumstances imaginable, the first instinct of the authorities is not to console, comfort or sympathise, it's to seek to smear, falsely accuse and demean those with no living breath to answer back.

Do not expect to be laid out and left to rest in peace. Be prepared to be posthumously inspected to see if you had been drinking.

Do not expect your ID to be used in the first instance to contact relatives or loved ones, rather expect your living details to be run through a police check for any criminal record first.

This is the truth.

This is your value.

Next time the establishment presses a flag into your hand and asks you to wave for the nation at royalty, dignataries or at an Olympics or any other sop to pull the wool over our eyes, tell them to roll it up in a copy of the Sun and shove it up their arse.

If this had happened in somewhere like France, then many high-ranking people would have served a jail sentence. Justice would have been swift. Justice would have been right - The class system in Britain is rotten to the core. It stinks the place out.

I have many awful memories of that day. Time doesn't fade them one little bit. The 2 that are most prominent, are having a copper smash his truncheon just a centimetre or so above my fingers, & telling me to - "Shut up you Scouse bastard" - when I frantically shook the blue mesh fence trying to get his attention & inform him that people were dying right in front of him. Then, 20 or so minutes later, as the bodies of all those poor young people were being laid upon the pitch. Amazingly, a police officer with still no comprehension of what was going on, entered the fray with a police dog. Not only did the dog try to attack a couple of fans who were staggering about the pitch dazed & injured. But the officer trampled on the bodies of those kids like they were bags of garbage.

Looking back now, The South Yorkshire Police appeared to be dehumanised that day. They were almost cold & robotic in their actions, or non-actions in most cases. It was if they had a chip implanted into their brains, & they were unable to deviate from their pre-set instructions, or use common sense & logic to see what was going on before them.

To say the past 23 years has been difficult, is an understatement of the greatest magnitude. I've lost count of the people, who meant well, but who have told me 'try & forget it & move on'. Being told that didn't help one little bit. It sapped your resolve, as you questioned yourself as to whether you should give up the ghost. Times my feelings by a hundred, & you've probably got a sense of how the families must have been feeling. I think everyone involved drew strength from each other. The external forces that were against were just part of everyday life. But deep down, we always knew we would prevail.

I slept very little on Tuesday night. My stomach was in knots on Wednesday morning, & I lost count of the amount of times I went to the toilet. Anything other than the news we received would have knocked me out for sure. I went to bed that night feeling slightly euphoric & uplifted. But since waking up yesterday morning, I have an anger burning inside like no anger I've ever felt in my life. Seeing these people now line up to offer their snivelling apologies only throws fuel on my highly flammable emotions. They've been quite happy hiding in the dark for the past 23 years. But now a light's been shone on them, they're like odious little cockroaches that are scurrying trying to find another hiding place.

We're coming for you, you bastards.

 

[snico]

Thats what is really annoying....as soon as the truth comes out, every person and organisation involved in the cover up starts to give their apologies......23 years its taken them to do that!

Lets hope some of these people end up behind bars where they belong.

 

[AronSearle]

You lot are funny, you think I won't listen to "reason", you think reason is flinging about insults to those who disagree. You think I'm a troll because I hold an opinion different to yours.

You would all make great teachers, you have the right mindset.



Not one of you has directly responded to a point I make.

Is it OK to push in a crowd.

Not "well, if such and such happened you have no choice", not "or it's such and such fault for not managing the situation".

Just a plain basic question, is it OK to push in a crowd.

Because you can't get around the basic fact that people in the crowd (as in nearly any crowd in such an event), push and shove to get in.

You can't deny that didn't happen, the official report acknowledges it, it just doesn't attribute blame to it, you might argue how many pushed, you might argue how hard they pushed, but they pushed.



No one in this thread has come out and said it's OK to push, that it is right to push, they have just stepped around that, explained how it's the police's fault for not managing that push.

No one will say it's OK to push, because they know really it isn't, that you can't separate actions from consequences, and no one wants to say the crowd were partly to blame.

Lets hope some of these people end up behind bars where they belong.

Modern society, look how much we have evolved from the days of the witch-hunt, where "someone" had to pay for tragic events, "justice" must be satisfied.

 

[snico]

You still here?

Thought you would be away reading the report that going against everything you say?

 

[AronSearle]

Which report snico.

Non of the ones I can see say anything about the crowd NOT pushing each other.

So is it OK to push in a crowd snico, would you?

 

[peaps2]

You lot are funny, you think I won't listen to "reason", you think reason is flinging about insults to those who disagree. You think I'm a troll because I hold an opinion different to yours.

You would all make great teachers, you have the right mindset.



Not one of you has directly responded to a point I make.

Is it OK to push in a crowd.

Not "well, if such and such happened you have no choice", not "or it's such and such fault for not managing the situation".

Just a plain basic question, is it OK to push in a crowd.

Because you can't get around the basic fact that people in the crowd (as in nearly any crowd in such an event), push and shove to get in.

You can't deny that didn't happen, the official report acknowledges it, it just doesn't attribute blame to it, you might argue how many pushed, you might argue how hard they pushed, but they pushed.



No one in this thread has come out and said it's OK to push, that it is right to push, they have just stepped around that, explained how it's the police's fault for not managing that push.

No one will say it's OK to push, because they know really it isn't, that you can't separate actions from consequences, and no one wants to say the crowd were partly to blame.

Lets hope some of these people end up behind bars where they belong.

Modern society, look how much we have evolved from the days of the witch-hunt, where "someone" had to pay for tragic events, "justice" must be satisfied.

I have responded to your question.

You are a troll and have no respect.

 

[peaps2]

Which report snico.

Non of the ones I can see say anything about the crowd NOT pushing each other.

So is it OK to push in a crowd snico, would you?

You obviously have not experienced crowd control Police style

 

[peaps2]

Because you can't get around the basic fact that people in the crowd (as in nearly any crowd in such an event), push and shove to get in.

and in this instance it wasn't the case until the police started

 

[sooey]

Which report snico.

Non of the ones I can see say anything about the crowd NOT pushing each other.

So is it OK to push in a crowd snico, would you?

You obviously have not experienced crowd control Police style

He obviously has zero experience to draw on of the situation he comments on so blithely, he is as irrelevant as his question.
I too am done with him now.

 

[JohnD]

he's been really silly on the Smoking thread too.

I reckon he lives under a bridge and jumps out to irritate sensible people.