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joe-90 said:
This would be funny if it wasn't so mental.

Your head can't get around the notion that there were no gas chambers at Dachau so you try to placate yourself by saying "Well maybe there were just little ones". You are playing silly mind games mate. There were NO GAS CHAMBERS AT DACHAU.

That is OFFICIAL.

You need to ask your relatives why they told you otherwise.
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No it's not the official stance.

Interesting debating skills you have. You quote a sentence from a site you linked then dismiss quotes from the same site because it doesn't fit into your agenda. You are transparent.
 
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joe-90 said:
You have a problem in your head Peaps - but like every brainwashing victim in history - you can't see it - you think its the rest of the World. It's not mate - it's YOU.
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Well no it's not the rest of the world, just a very small minority of bigots who want to spread hatred. You have yet to provide a convincing argument, an argument that hasn't already been systematically taken apart with overwhelming evidence backed up with 3000 tonnes of captured document amongst other things ;)
 
masona said:
t****r said:
Why don't you answer Joes Questions instead of resorting to personal abuse,
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Exactly, what the point of this forum if you can't have an opinion?
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I would think it all depends on the opinion and the motives.

Joes question were answered and if you are having any problems you can always point out what questions were not. He didn't like the answers and went on a mission accusing people of begin Jewish immigrant zealots or gypsies etc......

So when faced with a man quoting literature collected from various hate sites then goes off into a frenzy of insults of this kind then I don't think it should be given space to be honest.

Convince me otherwise.
 
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"Right then lads, its the end of the war and we are not sure if our war against a power hungry dictator was justified so what we will do is this. All you Jews, all you allied soldiers, all you prisoners of war, all you German soldiers, officers and civilians, lets all tell the world that Hitler gassed people. There are so many dead bodies, who's to count? We definately do not want people 70 years from now wondering if Hitler wasn't such a bad bloke after all now do we?"

What is the agenda for proving death camps did not exist? joe-90 does not seem to like the suggestion he is a neo nazi yet the only people who hold these views are the neo nazis and their moronic campaign of race hate. joe-90 also does not like the suggestion he is anti semitic even though he himself has made suggestions of other peoples possible jewish origins. For someone who isn't a neo nazi, anti semitic, he is quite dedicated to removing one of the most horrific events of the 20th century from history and quite happy to try and lay the lies at the feet of the Jews.

History is mostly conjecture, if he is after the "Truth" he should start from year dot and examine everything piece by piece.
 
Lots of people who who deny the holocaust are racists but not every one who has problems with orthodox holocaust narrative is racist, interestingly a lot of Historical revisionists or Holocaust deniers (depending on your prejudice)have come to their views on this issue through the study of the conventional presentation of these terrible events and not through reading racist hate sites.

The big problem with the accepted Holocaust story is that there are two competing narratives of this event or events, one is that there was an official policy by the Nazi government to exterminate an entire ethno/religious group to support this view there are numerous witness testimonies but very little in the way of hard evidence i.e. forensic autopsy reports ,documentry evidence is scarce apart from some paperwork which is open to intepretation.
The other narrative is that the disasters which occured in the camps Germany and Eastern Europe were caused by the vissicitudes of war rather than by a deliberate policy of extermination by the Germans.
The evidence for this view comes from organisations like Red Cross and the Allied forces who liberated the camps their official view was that most of the victims who died in these camps died from disease , malnutrition, and ill treatment.
Another Reason for the demonisation of the Nazis could be the role of allies in creating the condititions which lead these horrific disasters .
the strategic bombing campaign which flattened Germany in the latter years of the war has been cited by the red cross as contributing to high mortality rate in the camps, with the breakdown of civil society these things just happen,
 
t****r said:
Lots of people who who deny the holocaust are racists but not every one who has problems with orthodox holocaust narrative is racist, interestingly a lot of Historical revisionists or Holocaust deniers (depending on your prejudice)have come to their views on this issue through the study of the conventional presentation of these terrible events and not through reading racist hate sites.

The big problem with the accepted Holocaust story is that there are two competing narratives of this event or events, one is that there was an official policy by the Nazi government to exterminate an entire ethno/religious group to support this view there are numerous witness testimonies but very little in the way of hard evidence i.e. forensic autopsy reports ,documentry evidence is scarce apart from some paperwork which is open to intepretation.
The other narrative is that the disasters which occured in the camps Germany and Eastern Europe were caused by the vissicitudes of war rather than by a deliberate policy of extermination by the Germans.
The evidence for this view comes from organisations like Red Cross and the Allied forces who liberated the camps their official view was that most of the victims who died in these camps died from disease , malnutrition, and ill treatment.
Another Reason for the demonisation of the Nazis could be the role of allies in creating the condititions which lead these horrific disasters .
the strategic bombing campaign which flattened Germany in the latter years of the war has been cited by the red cross as contributing to high mortality rate in the camps, with the breakdown of civil society these things just happen,
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official nazi documents and speeches from Hitler tell a different story :rolleyes:
 
"Once I really am in power, my first and foremost task will be the annihilation of the Jews. As soon as I have the power to do so, I will have gallows built in rows - at the Marienplatz in Munich, for example - as many as traffic allows.

"Then the Jews will be hanged indiscriminately, and they will remain hanging until they stink; they will hang there as long as the principles of hygiene permit. As soon as they have been untied, the next batch will be strung up, and so on down the line, until the last Jew in Munich has been exterminated. Other cities will follow suit, precisely in this fashion, until all Germany has been completely cleansed of Jews." (1)

http://www.nizkor.org/hweb/people/h/hitler-adolf/hitler-1922.html
 
"Another Reason for the demonisation of the Nazis could be the role of allies in creating the condititions which lead these horrific disasters .
the strategic bombing campaign which flattened Germany in the latter years of the war has been cited by the red cross as contributing to high mortality rate in the camps, with the breakdown of civil society these things just happen,"

It sounds like the Allies were trying to justify their war with Germany? The fact that Hitler was happily invading countries, was forcing the expulsion of his own citizens because of race, colour, creed, the fact that he locked people because of disability or sexuality.

Civil society had already broken down, it broke when Hitler came to power and started his hate filled campaign. War was justified to stop this delusional madman who managed to get Germany behind him.

Attempts to play down Hitler and his ideologies can do nothing but harm. Its by looking at the past that we stop the nazis of the future from taking control.
 
When the camps were liberated there were pictures taken.

This one is a soldier looking at disinfected uniforms.

The lice in the uniforms were killed in the gas chambers by Zyclon B.

My question is:

Why would a regime go the these lengths for the welfare of its inhabitants if they were destined for the gas chamber themselves?



http://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/jsource/Holocaust/dachauprisuniforms.html


It makes no logical sense other than come to the conclusion that they had the inhabitants best interests at heart.
 
Lets go for the lice extermination bit. Why would they disinfrect the lice for the Jewish prisoners of war if the Jews were due for extermination? Simple, you don't want your soldiers riddled with lice whilst disposing of bodies do you?
 
UriBentMySpoon said:
Lets go for the lice extermination bit. Why would they disinfrect the lice for the Jewish prisoners of war if the Jews were due for extermination? Simple, you don't want your soldiers riddled with lice whilst disposing of bodies do you?
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Well why take them out of uniform then - gas them both (but it was a myth - and that's OFFICIAL)

I guess your user name gives your game away. :mrgreen:
 
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