Concentration camps

[peaps2]

Hey Pred. Here's one for you to answer.



http://www.fpp.co.uk/Auschwitz/docs/fake/SWCsmokeFake.html

Just explain why the smoke disappeared.

Is that before or after you respond to the rebuttals of all the rest?

Don't start spamming the forum with zealot sites again.

Still adopting the Supremacists position and claiming to speak for other eh Joe.
And, as usual, getting it completely wrong.
At least you're consistent in following the dogma of those right wing sites you're so keen on.

But that's just it mate - I wouldn't know which are right wing and which are moderate. I'm not interested in the postman - just the letters that he delivers. Now which part of those links (that you kindly provided) do you not agree with?

he won't answer because he can't.

 

[peaps2]

What we've learned from this thread is that some posters have been brought up to believe in the 'six million'.

Nothing that anyone can say or show them will make them deviate from that figure, in fact they can't deviate from it. They have been hard-wired to believe it is true and any logic faculties have been by-passed. As Peaps said earlier in the thread, he's not interested in the numbers killed at the camps - just the six million that he's been told all his life - and what he has told his own kids - and on it goes.

"No credible demographic statistics"? This is the second internal contradiction -- see question 2 and question 15. The Anglo-American committee who studied the issue estimated the number of Jewish victims at 5.7 million. This was based on population statistics. Here is the exact breakdown, country by country:

http://www.nizkor.org/features/qar/qar01.html

Alumni has been kind enough to post a list of links that he has read - and can find no fault with.

Smacks of desperation.

The links are filled with 'inconvenient truths' that he cannot refute.
Therefore he and his mates attack the writer - they attack the postman because he delivers letters they don't like.

It's important to put things into perspective. Your "inconvenient truths are built by Neo Nazi propagandists who have a hate agenda. Hardley the foundation to build up an objective picture...

Responses have been offered but you are unable to rebut them, instead you went off in a fit of rage posting abusive comment accusing people posting of begin Jewish immanent zealots and gypsies, typical.

Even their own heroes like Simon Wiesenthal ( the famed Nazi Hunter) are attacked because he admitted that the gas chambers in Dachau, Belson, Buchenwald etc never existed; that they were all part of a propaganda war after the war was over.

I would like to see how you came by your opinion, it's not based in fact.

"How ironic that he was not only correct, but that those very words were later misused in the manner he described.

Both answers are correct in themselves: Wiesenthal did indeed indicate in 1975 and in 1993 that there were no extermination camps in what is now Germany. Innocuous as the change seems, it does lead the reader to assume that the most recent statement is some kind of admission that the Holocaust was much more limited than has been maintained and that the truth is finally coming out. Statements like Wiesenthal's are in fact the basis upon which deniers claim that their pressure is forcing the truth out of reluctant historians.

The truth is that historians, and others like Wiesenthal, have attempted repeatedly over the years to dispel several myths about the Holocaust: the mass production of soap made from human fat is a good example.

Another misconception which they have tried to dispel is that the bulk of the extermination of the Jews took place within Germany itself -- or, more properly, within the "Altreich," the prewar boundaries of Germany. While there were indeed gas chambers and homicidal gassings in the Altreich, they were on a much smaller scale than the gassings in the camps in Nazi-occupied Poland, such as Belzec, Sobibor, Treblinka, Kulmhof/Chelmno, Maidanek/Majdanek, and Auschwitz-Birkenau. About three million people, almost exclusively Jews, were gassed to death in those camps. Camp gassings in the Altreich probably claimed the lives of only a few thousand people, almost certainly under ten thousand. Aside from "small-scale" gassing in places like Dachau, Gusen, Neuengamme, Sachsenhausen, Stutthof, and Ravensbrück, and Brandenburg, the site of the first gas chamber, it was largely confined to the "euthanasia" program, which did claim the lives of over a hundred thousand people, mostly non-Jews. "

http://www.nizkor.org/features/qar/qar03.html

You will find links to letters and document that refute your claim, Wiesenthal himself refutes them. Can you offer a response to the rebuttal..? Would be nice if you could SUPPORT your claim.

There were never any human skin light-shades - but Norcon still insists that there is. That is because he's been hard-wired to believe it as a child and just cannot accept that it is a complete fabrication.

"Writer: Jamie McCarthy Editor: Ken McVay

Ilse Koch (her first name has two syllables; her last name sounds like the Scottish "loch") is the most famous of all Germans accused of having committed atrocities during the war. She was the wife of the commandant of the Buchenwald camp. She was twice convicted in post-war trials, once by an international court and once by her own country. The chief charges against her were cruelty to inmates, including murder, but what she is best-known for is the making of human-skin ornaments, including the lampshades of which we've all heard.

It's exceedingly well-documented that such ornaments did exist; there's no question but that someone made them out of human skin. When one can see a book whose cover is tanned skin with a decorative tattoo on it, there's little question that the skin was that of a human being. If one has any doubt as to the origin of the substance, one should examine the forensic report conducted on some of the skin. It concludes, based on microscopic examination and the placement of the nipples and navel, that the skin was certainly human."
http://www.nizkor.org/features/denial-of-science/clay-koch-01.html

Again you will find link to forensic report and other evidence to prove the shades.

What about you joe anything to offer?

They cannot accept that less than half the camp inmates were Jewish (not religion). In fact it seems that only about a quarter of Auschwitz inmates were Jewish - but the holocaust museum seems to forget that bit.

That's because they many were murdered on arrival.

"

True to some extent. Auschwitz was a huge complex; it had ordinary POW camps (in which British airmen were also held, and they testified of atrocities in the nearby extermination camp). Auschwitz II, or Birkenau, was the largest camp, and the gas chambers were there. Auschwitz III, or Monowitz, was the industrial manufacturing plant.

Many prisoners were indeed used for forced labor in Auschwitz. But the "unfit" -- meaning the elderly, the children, and most of the women -- were immediately sent to the gas chambers.

In its revised answer, the IHR states that "synthetic fuel" was produced there, not Buna. This is more accurate. By war's end, not a single ounce of rubber had been produced at the Buna camp.

It's a tactical error on their part to admit this, however, because in question number 40, they state that it was impossible to burn corpses because there wasn't any fuel. Yet they admit that there was a fuel-synthesis plant just a few miles away. It did produce fuel, and in fact was an Allied bombing target for that reason. Another internal contradiction. "
http://www.nizkor.org/features/qar/qar06.html
http://www.nizkor.org/faqs/auschwitz/auschwitz-faq-01.html

They have a word for people disliking Jewish people - 'anti-semitic'. There is no word for those that dislike Germans.

Clutching at straws.

Their war dead were killed in the 'Holocaust' - but they rarely mention that there were just 2-3 million of them.


The Russians lost 23 million - but there is no equivalent of the 'holocaust'.

Over 40 million of the dead were Christians - no holocaust though.

Pathetic.

Therefore I urge you to read the links and make up your own minds.

So do I based on the facts not nazi propaganda that has been refuted with no come back as yet.

If Peaps and Alumni and Norcon and Uri and Snico and Wobs want to point out which parts of the links aren't true - then let them do so. I'm sure they know how to cut and paste. But don't attack the postmen, it's not his fault.

You are not the first person to construct this debate in this manner, it's been debunked to the extent the "father" of the denial movement turned tail and ran. Couldn't respond when faced with fact.

Before this thread how many knew that Auschwitz had its own hospital, theater, choir, and swimming pool? They were all for the residents too.

Yes the Nazi did enjoy the finer things in life

How many knew that the 'gas chamber' was built AFTER the war?

No secret it was rebuilt, the secret is why it was destroyed in the first place... Why set about taking apart these camps and destroying documents?

How many knew that it was typhus that produced the sickly 'matchstickmen' images? The other inmates were quite healthy as the liberation photos show. They also show children - who were never gassed. The truth is there if you look. Thanks once more to Alumni for the list of links.

No dispute that many dies of typhus within German camps, they weren't executions camps, Jewish people were sent onto be executed. Many children, however, were kept as part of the experiment program. You would expect people from these camps to be in a better condition, many had just arrived... Eyewitness account and document refute your claims, once again.

Oh and one last thing. If 6 million Jews were killed and they represented just half the camps residents then there must be 6 million others too (that history seems to have forgotten).
So that is the bodies of 12 million people to dispose of. So where are they? No bodies and no bones have ever been found for anywhere even CLOSE to that number. If you think they have - then lets see your proof please. If you can provide no proof that it happened, I guess we'll have no other option than to believe that the story is wrong, that it never happened that way.

Oh we have the prove a negative again..

But we have already answered the numbers question.

http://www.nizkor.org/features/qar/qar02.html[/QUOTE]

Anything in response joe?

bump.

he won't answer because he can't.

 

[joe-90]

You haven't even refuted the points I made. All you 've done is give your own spin to it - you've disproved nothing.

Now stop spamming the forum with links to extreme websites.


The hospital in Auschwitz was there.

The so-called gas chamber was modified and rebuilt.

The theater was there.

But where are the bodies of the 4 million?

They aren't there are they?

 

[alumni]

I wonder if he can explain why he gave us his explanation of anti semitic in the thread that got conveniently deleted . A description that was remarkably similar to that given on one of Joe's links by Victor Wolzek, the self proclaimed Jew hater.

 

[joe-90]

Otto Frank - Anne's dad was in the hospital after burning his hand cooking for the inmates.

So there WAS a hospital - and they fed the people they were supposedly murdering.

I guess that site of your forgot that bit.

 

[joe-90]

I wonder if he can explain why he gave us his explanation of anti semitic in the thread that got conveniently deleted . A description that was remarkably similar to that given on one of Joe's links by Victor Wolzek, the self proclaimed Jew hater.

I don't recognize that word. What 's the word for German hater?

 

[joe-90]

A gas chamber with no history of cyanide? Explain that one then guys.


Another question that should be asked: Is there any Zyklon B gas residue in the gas chamber, knowing that cyanide gas would, in fact, leave a residue?
In 1988, execution equipment expert Fred Leuchter conducted forensic examinations on the gas chambers at Auschwitz to answer that question.
He took samples from the four gas chambers at Birkenau, the one at the main camp and the control sample from one of the disinfestation chambers that we know did use Zyklon B. Now, the gas chamber samples showed almost no appreciable traces whereas the disinfestation sample literally went right off the scale.
More importantly though, in 1990, the Institute of Forensic Research in Krakow decided to conduct their own forensic tests to see if they could refute Fred Leuchter's findings. They did this with Dr. Piper's help.
Their own tests got back the same results so, since then, the question has not been, "Are there any appreciable traces of Zyklon B residue in the gas chambers?" but instead, "Why are there not any appreciable traces?"

 

[peaps2]

A gas chamber with no history of cyanide? Explain that one then guys.


Another question that should be asked: Is there any Zyklon B gas residue in the gas chamber, knowing that cyanide gas would, in fact, leave a residue?
In 1988, execution equipment expert Fred Leuchter conducted forensic examinations on the gas chambers at Auschwitz to answer that question.
He took samples from the four gas chambers at Birkenau, the one at the main camp and the control sample from one of the disinfestation chambers that we know did use Zyklon B. Now, the gas chamber samples showed almost no appreciable traces whereas the disinfestation sample literally went right off the scale.
More importantly though, in 1990, the Institute of Forensic Research in Krakow decided to conduct their own forensic tests to see if they could refute Fred Leuchter's findings. They did this with Dr. Piper's help.
Their own tests got back the same results so, since then, the question has not been, "Are there any appreciable traces of Zyklon B residue in the gas chambers?" but instead, "Why are there not any appreciable traces?"

Your own words is regularly used by you for not responding to answered question "you" ask.

http://vho.org/GB/c/DC/gcgvcole.html

Link to the above text, The Leuchter Report revisited

So let me get it right, you quote, use and post extracts from others then require others not to do the same in reply?

What a joke.

Get to answering the posts if you want debate.

 

[peaps2]

You haven't even refuted the points I made. All you 've done is give your own spin to it - you've disproved nothing.

Now stop spamming the forum with links to extreme websites.

A gas chamber with no history of cyanide? Explain that one then guys.


Another question that should be asked: Is there any Zyklon B gas residue in the gas chamber, knowing that cyanide gas would, in fact, leave a residue?
In 1988, execution equipment expert Fred Leuchter conducted forensic examinations on the gas chambers at Auschwitz to answer that question.
He took samples from the four gas chambers at Birkenau, the one at the main camp and the control sample from one of the disinfestation chambers that we know did use Zyklon B. Now, the gas chamber samples showed almost no appreciable traces whereas the disinfestation sample literally went right off the scale.
More importantly though, in 1990, the Institute of Forensic Research in Krakow decided to conduct their own forensic tests to see if they could refute Fred Leuchter's findings. They did this with Dr. Piper's help.
Their own tests got back the same results so, since then, the question has not been, "Are there any appreciable traces of Zyklon B residue in the gas chambers?" but instead, "Why are there not any appreciable traces?"

Oh dear me.

 

[joe-90]

So which part of that is false?

Is the head curator at the Auschwitz Holocaust Museum telling lies? (Dr Piper)

Are you saying that he is a liar?

What actually ARE you saying?

If you won't believe Dr Piper - then who WILL you believe?

Let me answer that for you - NO-ONE because you've been brainwashed to believe and try as you might you can't break that brain-washing down.

Stick with me and I'll try to help you.

 

[joe-90]

A gas chamber with no history of cyanide? Explain that one then guys.


Another question that should be asked: Is there any Zyklon B gas residue in the gas chamber, knowing that cyanide gas would, in fact, leave a residue?
In 1988, execution equipment expert Fred Leuchter conducted forensic examinations on the gas chambers at Auschwitz to answer that question.
He took samples from the four gas chambers at Birkenau, the one at the main camp and the control sample from one of the disinfestation chambers that we know did use Zyklon B. Now, the gas chamber samples showed almost no appreciable traces whereas the disinfestation sample literally went right off the scale.
More importantly though, in 1990, the Institute of Forensic Research in Krakow decided to conduct their own forensic tests to see if they could refute Fred Leuchter's findings. They did this with Dr. Piper's help.
Their own tests got back the same results so, since then, the question has not been, "Are there any appreciable traces of Zyklon B residue in the gas chambers?" but instead, "Why are there not any appreciable traces?"

Your own words is regularly used by you for not responding to answered question "you" ask.

http://vho.org/GB/c/DC/gcgvcole.html

Link to the above text, The Leuchter Report revisited

So let me get it right, you quote, use and post extracts from others then require others not to do the same in reply?

What a joke.

Get to answering the posts if you want debate.

You haven't refuted my statements - just told me that your brainwashed brain won't accept the truth.

 

[trollmaster2000]

Anyone who denies, downplays, questions, or under-estimates the Holocaust should be rounded up by the military, and taken away, to a concentration camp.

 

[joe-90]

...and then told the truth.

 

[trollmaster2000]

...about where babies come from

 

[joe-90]

So what of Anne Frank? Ask anyone on the street and they'll say she was the young girl executed in the gas chamber. But what is the TRUE story?

They were sent to Auschwitz

She was a child - so should have been killed.

Her father? An old man that should have been killed.

Yet neither were.

He worked in the KITCHEN feeding the inmates that should have been killed.

He burned his hand and was sent to the HOSPITAL - when he should have been killed.

Both survived Auschwitz and were transferred to Bergen-Belsen - another death camp.

Anne died there of TYPHUS.

Her father survived the war.


And THAT is the truth of the matter.