Concentration camps

[joe-90]

Have you noticed peaps that your support is waning?

Two reasons.

1) When they research to prove me wrong - they can't help but realise I'm right.

2) They think that Nizkor are an extreme group no better than the Neo-Nazis.

Oh and Uri is more a hindrance to your cause than an asset.

For every quopte and link you have posted others have posted a rebuttal. You evidence is naught.
As for me being a hindrance? My arguments are different to peaps2, the arguments are both questioning you but from different angles. Also you do not seem to be able to answer my questions, unless you count resorting to hinting that I am a Jew, obviously you think this is an insult, it isn't, it is just not correct, not a Jew I am afraid. Although in this debate I am more than happy to be counted alongside them.

So maybe you want to answer the following questions?

1. You mention earlier you used to believe the Holocaust happened until you read literature that said otherwise. Can I ask, were you an anti semnite before you read this literature or did this only come about afterwards?

2. You keep mentioning the 6 million and 12 million bodies figure to me. I have not brought this up but you have. I honestly do not know numbers but I do know is that during the hardships of was peoples remains are quite easily lost, especially when you are talking about a regime that went out of their way to dispose of bodies. Of course you can never dig up 12 million bodies, even if they were all intact and date stamped with date and cause of death. Remains are and will always will be lost. How many people died in the trenches? Did we recover all their bodies?

3. The London Blitz, I do not know how many people died in that, I bet google and whyatever can tell you that, but the numbers will be approximated. As above remains are destroyed, people are lost. You tell me how many people died in the Blitz, and where they are all buried so I can confirm otherwise the Blitz did not happen. And the Blitz did not last as long nor involved the numbers the Holocaust did so your task is easier. Your argument is a joke. Lack of bodies is not proof.

4. To go back to one of my first points, what if we were to decide the Holocaust did not happen, then what? Hitler was still a genocidal, dictator who imprisoned and casused the death of not only his own people but the Polish aswell as anyone else who came along that he diodn't like. Do you think the removal of the Holocaust label will somehow vindicate him?

5. As an anti semite shouldn't the Neo nazis be supporting the idea of the Holocaust? As it represented the deaths of the "evil" Jew? Why deny it? What is their/your agenda? Is it to claim that Neo Nazis are not the bad guys they are made out to be but are tainted because the Jew paints them so?

6. Who organised this big conspiracy and how can it invlolve not only the Jews, (they are all of a mind so if they decide something then as a pack they follow, individuality is not allowed if you are a Jew apparently), but the allied soldiers, the prisoners of war, the Nazi soldiers and the statements of the Nazi hierarchy upto and including Hitler who made no secret of wisheing to dispose of the Jew? That is one big powerful conspiracy, must have at least started out when Hitler made his move into politics, the Jews must have been poisoning his mind way back then in attempt to start a Second World War.

Lets see if I get called a Jew again. The usual response to people who argue with joe-90.

I didn't call you a Jew - I just looked at your user name.

The rest of what you wrote is rubbish as I'm sure the others in your 'team' have noted.

 

[UriBentMySpoon]

I have not strengthened your argument at any point. My point was answering your statement about Jews not having tattoos.

 

[joe-90]

Thanks Uri - with friends like you they don't need enemies.

 

[UriBentMySpoon]

You like to berate people for answering your questions but you cannot answer the question posted to you?

Why do you give it a go for once, answer my questions. You cannot prove to me exactly how many people died in the Blitz, nor tell me where all their remians are but you expect me to do so for you?

The questions are relevant, as is your dodging of them.

 

[UriBentMySpoon]

My user name refers to someone who maybe a Jew, it does not refer to me. So to get that I am a Jew from that And the other people you have suggested are Jews? What was your logic there? People who argue against you are part of the Jewish conspiracy and you do not need to answer their questions, is that it?

 

[joe-90]

You like to berate people for answering your questions but you cannot answer the question posted to you?

Why do you give it a go for once, answer my questions. You cannot prove to me exactly how many people died in the Blitz, nor tell me where all their remians are but you expect me to do so for you?

The questions are relevant, as is your dodging of them.

Oki-doki. if it makes you happy.

In Hiroshima something like 70.000 people died. Some of them vaporised, but not all, or anywhere near all. Most of the bodies were actually recovered - and that is when an atom bomb explodes a few hundred feet overhead.

Now what you are comparing that sort of thing with - is a huge amount of people (12 million) that weren't vaporised or lost in a fire storm (and most of those were recovered too) but a line of people equivalent to 12 times the population of Birmingham today. This 12 million that would stretch thousands of miles if all lined up went into a little room the size of a British rail waiting room - and disappeared off the face of the earth.

No-one can remember where they put them. No-one was ever charged with operating the gas chambers.

Until you can prove what happened to them and who did it, the world will realise that you aren't being altogether truthful won't they? What do you think Uri?

 

[UriBentMySpoon]

You are saying 12 million, I am not.

I do not know the numbers, no one ever will know, the best they can come up with are estimates. The 12 million you have got is based on the statement that 6 million jews were killed, and they made up half of those were killed. 2x6 million? That is probably the upper end of the estimates, there are lower ones, I have heard that over the years revisions have been made to the figures and they have by some authority figures been revised downwards. That I can give credence to, during the aftermath of WWII how many people were misplaced, double counted, or just lost to the system.

That the Nazis did by their own direct action cause the deaths of millions, not only Jews but ethnic minorities, disabled and the homosexual, deserves the title Holocaust. To deny that mass murder happened during WWII is disgraceful.

And seriously? After WWII, who is going to try and locate every missing person by covering the whole country looking for graves to get the exact total? It is a wasted effort because what about the people who's remains were obliterated? Did they not exist? There was the problem of rebuilding Europe, tending to the dead that they did find, and bringing the Nazis to justice on the evidence retrieved by the Allies.

 

[UriBentMySpoon]

Now what about the other questions?

 

[joe-90]

You are saying 12 million, I am not.

I do not know the numbers, no one ever will know, the best they can come up with are estimates. The 12 million you have got is based on the statement that 6 million jews were killed, and they made up half of those were killed. 2x6 million? That is probably the upper end of the estimates, there are lower ones, I have heard that over the years revisions have been made to the figures and they have by some authority figures been revised downwards. That I can give credence to, during the aftermath of WWII how many people were misplaced, double counted, or just lost to the system.

That the Nazis did by their own direct action cause the deaths of millions, not only Jews but ethnic minorities, disabled and the homosexual, deserves the title Holocaust. To deny that mass murder happened during WWII is disgraceful.

And seriously? After WWII, who is going to try and locate every missing person by covering the whole country looking for graves to get the exact total? It is a wasted effort because what about the people who's remains were obliterated? Did they not exist? There was the problem of rebuilding Europe, tending to the dead that they did find, and bringing the Nazis to justice on the evidence retrieved by the Allies.

Uri - you don't just 'lose' 12 million people. They would keep on turning up all over the place. They never have though. No quarries containing millions have ever surfaced. How can you just 'forget' where you put 12 million bodies? They must be 'somewhere' they can't be 'no-where'.
Do you see why I've got a problem accepting the story at face value?

 

[UriBentMySpoon]

I repeat, I am not saying 12 million, you are.

However many there were, plenty will have likely to have been destroyed, I bet plenty have been inadvertently covered by the rebuilding of Europe, plenty of them would have been buried or burnt by the Nazis, what did they do with the bodies you except had died through disease? Were those all dug up after the war?

Lets dig up the graves of thos who died in the blitz, see if they contain any recognisable remains to prove just how many died and that the Blitz after all did happen. Because witness testimonials are not sufficient apparently.

 

[joe-90]

Uri. I can't answer questions about being anti-semite because I don't know what that is. My interest is in history being recorded falsely.

I believed it all until I started searching. I suggest that you do the same.

 

[joe-90]

I repeat, I am not saying 12 million, you are.

However many there were, plenty will have likely to have been destroyed, I bet plenty have been inadvertently covered by the rebuilding of Europe, plenty of them would have been buried or burnt by the Nazis, what did they do with the bodies you except had died through disease? Were those all dug up after the war?

Lets dig up the graves of thos who died in the blitz, see if they contain any recognisable remains to prove just how many died and that the Blitz after all did happen. Because witness testimonials are not sufficient apparently.

We know where the diseased ones are. They are buried in shallow pits. But where are the 12 million? Where did they all go?

 

[UriBentMySpoon]

I am not saying there was 12 million. I am quite happy to accept less. And how many people were buried in the shallow pits? Were they all dug up counted, and given autopsies to confirm how they died? Couldn't some of the "12 million" be there?

You are asking me to locate for you 12 million bodies when,you'll like this because to a degree I am actually agreeing with you, there may not be 12 million bodies to find.

Now answer the other questions.

 

[joe-90]

I'm so glad we agree Uri - welcome to the 'light side'.

 

[UriBentMySpoon]

Yes I agree, there may well not be 12 million, because either that is the upper end of the estimate, or that the number may have been invented by you for all I know, or that the bodies may well have been destoyed so you will never fiond 12 million bodies.

However the distinction should be made is that I am not denying the Holocaust, you are.