CPC as live conductor now OK?

[JohnW2]

All the experts that you sparks pay good money too say it is.

I am not, never have been and never will be a 'spark', but I've unfortunately had to deal with a good few people in my time who adopt the same sort of attitude as you.

Kind Regards, John

 

[doitall]

All the experts that you sparks pay good money too say it is.

I am not, never have been and never will be a 'spark', but I've unfortunately had to deal with a good few people in my time who adopt the same sort of attitude as you.

Kind Regards, John

A good attitude I would think.

Not sure about something ask the experts, unfortunately the sparks on here don't agree with the rule and registration bodies.

So I'll ask again.

You turn up to change the custards room stat, and the green and yellow has been oversleeved and used as a switch wire.

Will you change it or rip the custard off by insisting it's re-wired at great expense, not to mention the decorating bill.

 

[EFLImpudence]

Use a thermostat that doesn't need a neutral or

reconfigure the wiring so that the thermostat can be used as a 240V swich.

No I'm not going to tell you how.

 

[JohnW2]

So I'll ask again. You turn up to change the custards room stat, and the green and yellow has been oversleeved and used as a switch wire. Will you change it or rip the custard off by insisting it's re-wired at great expense, not to mention the decorating bill.

Why do you keep asking, and going on about it? You're convinced that you're right and you believe that you have official expert confirmation that you're right. ... so why don't you just get on with your life and practice what you are convinced is acceptable? What on earth do you hope to achieve by going on about it - is it simply that you cannot sleep unless you think you have triumphed and had the last word?

Kind Regards, John

 

[doitall]

Use a thermostat that doesn't need a neutral or

reconfigure the wiring so that the thermostat can be used as a 240V swich.

No I'm not going to tell you how.

You don't need to tell me how thank you, but why should I change anything when I don't need too.

 

[doitall]

Why do you keep asking, and going on about it? You're convinced that you're right and you believe that you have official expert confirmation that you're right. ... so why don't you just get on with your life and practice what you are convinced is acceptable? What on earth do you hope to achieve by going on about it - is it simply that you cannot sleep unless you think you have triumphed and had the last word?

Kind Regards, John

No I know I'm right and have it in writing.

I can sleep well at night thank as what you think is irrelevant, you're not even a sparky so why are you arguing about a topic you are not competent to even offer an opinion, let alone quote regs you google'd for.

How can you give advice to DIYers when you admit you're not a sparky JohnW2.

I'm not a sparky but in my opinion you're talking rubbish doitall, how cool is that.

End of discussion methinks. Obviously one wont get an intelligent discussion.

 

[JohnW2]

No I know I'm right and have it in writing.
I can sleep well at night thank you ...

Maybe you just need something to occupy your time, then. You know that you are right. You know the views and beliefs of those who have participated in these threads. You know (or should know) that those views and beliefs are not going to change, and you also know that your view that you're right is not going to change. So, as I asked before, what on earth do you hope to achieve by going on about it? If you think that people are going to change their views if you state your case, and ask your questions, enough times then, with respect, you're just plain daft.

....as what you think is irrelevant, you're not even a sparky so why are you arguing about a topic you are not competent to even offer an opinion, let alone quote regs you google'd for.

It's very naive to believe that one needs to be an electrician to have an intimate knowledge and understanding of the regulations which apply to that trade - but, in any event, my personal opinion about the regs is irrelevant. Plenty of people who are electricians have expressed their opinions, and, as someone with a keen interest in human behaviour, I am primarily interested in discovering why you are behaving in the way you are.

Kind Regards, John

 

[doitall]

Why are you giving expert advice to diyers in a public forum, on a topic you clearly know nothing about.

And I didn't start the thread.

 

[RF Lighting]

You don't have to have sat through years of college to give advice on a DIY forum.

John knows far more about electrical installations than plenty of so called electricians.

I'd much rather have someone like John on here giving out knowledgeable advice than someone like yourself giving out not just wrong, but dangerous advice to DIYers.

 

[JohnW2]

How can you give advice to DIYers when you admit you're not a sparky JohnW2. ... I'm not a sparky but in my opinion you're talking rubbish doitall, how cool is that. ... End of discussion methinks. Obviously one wont get an intelligent discussion.

You slipped this bit in after I replied, but I certainly agree with the last bit. As I wrote before:

...as someone with a keen interest in human behaviour, I am primarily interested in discovering why you are behaving in the way you are.

Kind Regards, John

 

[doitall]

I'd much rather have someone like John on here giving out knowledgeable advice than someone like yourself giving out not just wrong, but dangerous advice to DIYers.

I'm sure you do, as he/she doesn't question your competence. You'd rather listen to a DIYer than a senior engineer at the IET.

That dear readers is how low the trade has sunk, and why you are getting ripped off daily by course cowboys.

 

[Scoby_Beasley]

That dear readers is how low the trade has sunk, and why you are getting ripped off daily by course cowboys.

I'm a coarse cowboy. Only ever f*c@!n use really bad f*c@!n language when f*c@!n working. Mind I have to put up with a load of f*c@!n twonks spouting f*c@!n carp.

 

[doitall]

I'm a coarse cowboy. Only ever f*c@!n use really bad f*c@!n language when f*c@!n working. Mind I have to put up with a load of f*c@!n twonks spouting f*c@!n carp.

Most sensible post yet are you getting treatment or is it terminal.

 

[securespark]

FWIW, I could not bring myself to do it, as that cable could be tapped into somewhere along its length and a connection made to the green/yellow conductor.

It would be reasonable to assume this conductor to be connected to earth.

 

[JohnW2]

FWIW, I could not bring myself to do it, as that cable could be tapped into somewhere along its length and a connection made to the green/yellow conductor. It would be reasonable to assume this conductor to be connected to earth.

I agree, and also wouldn't do it for that very reason. However, as we have agreed, the practice of oversleeving a G/Y only at its terminations, so as to use it as a live conductor, is not, in itself, non-compliant with BS7671 - but the installation as a whole would be non-compliant if one can't find some other way to run a CPC to whatever is at the end of the cable.

Kind Regards, John