Dawn Butler

[ajstoneservices]

Is your car a high performance BMW, Audi, Mercedes or VW or similar? Does it have blacked out rear windows? Is it of the type preferred by gang members or drug dealers?

It's an old mans jaguar driven by an old woman.

 

[Mottie]

Are you black?

Are you?

 

[Lower]

And I'm still waiting to hear why it is acceptable for a person to be stopped for 'being out of their area'...
?

Not relevant to North Yorkshire, but in certain areas of London there are gang postcode feuds. Where being out of your area can often mean that you are out looking for trouble and is something the police are very aware of.

 

[Lower]

It could be a prejudice thang, sexist or racist, or both, take your pick.

It could be, but it’s also factual. Trying to shut down the discussion by accusing the person that raises a perfectly valid point of racism or prejudice does not help move things forward.

 

[sxturbo]

So you would like to be stopped regularly in order to prove you have 'nothing to hide'?

What does that say about your attitude to a so called 'free society'!

But then of course your chances of being stopped is far lower than a person with a black skin (if you are white), regardless of the persons committing the 'crime' you allege is taking place...

Or maybe you are suggesting that black people commit more crime than white people?

If I knew it was making a difference I really don't see the problem.

But I don't live in a high crime area so I don't need to worry about it.

Im not implying anything merely saying if it were me I wouldn't have a problem, got nothing to hide it doesn't matter. It's only a problem because blacks like to be and act the victim.

No one has said yet why it's a problem getting pulled over for the police doing their job. At the end of the day it's an effort to try and reduce crime to make the world a safer place whether your black or white.

Again I will iterate it doesn't seem to be an issue for other BAME minorities...

I should add that I have heard stories where people have been repeatedly stopped and nothing found, and in these instances the police should really be able to look up on a database so they can check this out, will certainly create less harassment to the unfortunate individual who gets stopped 5 times in a week with no charges against them.

 

[sxturbo]

Police should stop who they like, as long as it's based on intelligence.

They shouldn't, however, use handcuffs etc until necessary. I think that was the problem with the olympic sports couple and it was the handcuffs, not the stop I think they were apologised for.

Tbf to the police, if the Olympic star had stopped when they were supposed to it really wouldn't have been a problem, however because they didn't stop when they were supposed to it only increased suspicion and so the police used the cuffs in case they do a runner or hide drugs etc it's basic policing and the same thing would happen regardless of skin colour, I've seen it on them police shows and my brother who's a cop says the same. I also highly doubt the police knew who the f**k she was until she kicked off on social media, I think very few people would recognise her.

The police also didn't see what colour they were until they stopped,

In this case it was a case of look at me look how persecuted I am, they said as much for the reason they didn't stop when first requested so they could stop in front of their neighbours and make a spectacle, also why she had her phone ready and recording and was overly hysterical.

 

[sodthisforfun]

also why she had her phone ready and recording and was overly hysterical.

As Will Smith said recently about racism in the USA - "it's not getting worse, it's getting filmed".
I think I would film my time with the police if I felt uneasy. The police can film us ok!

The athletes were apologised to for the use of handcuffs.

 

[sxturbo]

As Will Smith said recently about racism in the USA - "it's not getting worse, it's getting filmed".
I think I would film my time with the police if I felt uneasy. The police can film us ok!

The athletes were apologised to for the use of handcuffs.

Yes but my point is they didn't comply initially and so suspicion was raised, had they have complied properly in the 1st place things might have been different.

The other problem with the public filming is that what they choose to post is the part that makes them look like the victim, when in fact when the complete video eventually gets shared it always turns out they were being p ricks to the cops

 

[JohnD]

didn't comply initially

I missed that. Do you mean they resisted arrest?

 

[Mottie]

I missed that. Do you mean they resisted arrest?

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/athletics/53305712

"The police statement said that at about 13:25 BST on Saturday, officers from the Territorial Support Group "witnessed a vehicle with blacked-out windows that was driving suspiciously, including driving on the wrong side of the road".

The statement added: "They indicated for it to stop but it failed to do so and made off at speed. The officers caught up with the vehicle when it stopped on Lanhill Road. The driver initially refused to get out of the car."

Of course, they say different.

 

[JohnD]

What was the police response to "Dos Santos said a written report given to them by police did not mention driving on the wrong side of the road, and that where they stopped is a single car-width road."

 

[sxturbo]

Thanks mottie.

I missed that. Do you mean they resisted arrest?

No I meant they didn't comply, do you struggle to read? I can point you in the direction of Collins dictionary if you struggle to understand the meaning of words that is written

 

[JohnD]

Oh, you mean they didn't stop. "Comply" is not a clear description of what you meant.

 

[JohnD]

Thanks also to Mottie for proividing the link that says :

"When can the police stop and search you?
In most cases in England and Wales, police can only stop and search you (or your vehicle) if they have "reasonable grounds" that you might be carrying:

• Illegal drugs
• Stolen property
• A Weapon
• Something that could be used to carry out a crime, like a crowbar

Reasonable grounds for stopping someone cannot be based on race or whether the person is a known criminal."

which of these includes "driving on the wrong side of the road?"

 

[Mottie]

which of these includes "driving on the wrong side of the road?"

Undoubtedly covered by drunk/drugged/dangerous/wreckless driving laws. I would certainly expect the police to stop someone driving on the wrong side of the road, wouldn’t you? Again, quite reasonable to search a person or a vehicle when they fail to stop in case they have something to hide or do you think they should have just said sorry for chasing them and sent them on their merry way?