Daytime running lights

[morqthana]

There you go - you can sound like a normal person after all. If someone else had said that you would found some sort of reason to argue against them.

No I wouldn't.

You just need to disabuse yourself of the notion that you can't possibly ever be mistaken, and that views you disagree with can't possibly ever be right.

There have been occasions where I have half thought about jumping out and pressing the button myself

I did once ask my wife to do that. She didn't think I was serious.

But on the bright side - we were turning right out of the side road, and the crossing was on the main road to the right, so if she had done it she would genuinely have needed to cross the road so that I could have picked her up.

 

[Harry Bloomfield]

There have been occasions where I have half thought about jumping out and pressing the button myself

I've sent passengers out in the past to do it

 

[carmanmemoranda]

Oh yes that is a good one.
Same as when a pedestrian presses the crossing button and I am the only car coming or they can see its a few cars and then nothing - why cant they just wait 20 seconds longer and let the run of cars pass. Its what I do when crossing and i can see the end of the stream of cars is coming rather than stopping 7 cars with engines ticking over - or even worse stop star puffing out extra fumes .

What don't you understand about stop/start ?

 

[aveatry]

What don't you understand about stop/start ?

You know what -- I put that bit in there deliberately to flush out the "argumentative for the sake of it" people and you did not disappoint

 

[morqthana]

You know what I put that bit in there deliberately to flush out the "argumentative for the sake of it" people and you did not disappoint

But you must genuinely have thought that stop-start is worse than idling. Otherwise you know what you were doing there, don't you.

 

[Brigadier]

Nah: when caught out, cry "Bantaaaaah!"

 

[pcaouolte]

Some people just press the button, before even looking to see if there might be a need. Me, I feel safer walking a cross, ignoring the lights, some drivers go through against the red anyway.

I had a muppet this morning who crossed safely during a gap in the traffic and then pressed the button after he had crossed.

 

[aveatry]

But you must genuinely have thought that stop-start is worse than idling.

Depends on how long the idle is/ type of fuel/size of engine/ whether or not the car is designed that way or you are just turning off the engine on a non stop and start car I suppose.

 

[carmanmemoranda]

Depends on how long the idle is/ type of fuel/size of engine/ whether or not the car is designed that way or you are just turning off the engine on a non stop and start car I suppose.

Now you are just digging a bigger hole.

 

[carmanmemoranda]

You know what -- I put that bit in there deliberately to flush out the "argumentative for the sake of it" people and you did not disappoint

Argumentative is not the same as correcting false information.

 

[Avocet]

I don't , I like to drive a car in which I have control of the lights, wipers, brakes, etc Ive been driving for over 50 years and not needed all this usledd crap, test drove a new car the other day and approaching a roundabout braked for me, nothing else near me, the salesman said it probably thought I was going to collide with a bollard in the traffic island FFS

50 years eh? You must have seen a lot of changes on the roads over 50 years. Tell me... How have road deaths and serious injuries changed over that time? Have they got better, or worse, as more and more of this "not needed usledd crap" has been fitted to cars?

 

[Avocet]

You are making my point for me --A motorcyclist without lights is obviously going to benefit from being near a car WITH lights. On that basis that they see the car but are still not seeing the biker are they - just the car that the biker is near.
Now put the bikers light on and out of those 3 lights - which 2 are the car and which 2 are closer for an idiot in the car distracted by kids in the back and the phone and the sat nav..

So... let me get this right then... a motorcyclist without lights is going to benefit from being near a car with lights, but a motorcyclist with lights, isn't? (Even though that report specifically says with or without lights)...?

(Forget the kids in the back, sat nav and phone - this is just about lights, even if you do want to try and skew the argument by adding other factors to just one side of it) . In fact, why not go the whole hog and claim that everyone in a car with DRLs has also just sunk 6 pints and is speeding too?

 

[Avocet]

Depends on how long the idle is/ type of fuel/size of engine/ whether or not the car is designed that way or you are just turning off the engine on a non stop and start car I suppose.

Not really. You only need to have the engine stopped for a relatively small number of seconds before it's a net benefit.

 

[ReganAndCarter]

How come she gets the proper bike, and he the 50?

Don't worry. He's gauranteed a great ride. Later on.

 

[morqthana]

Don't worry. He's gauranteed a great ride. Later on.

I did wonder if maybe it's because she looks better in tight leathers than he does.