Death in the channel…again

[Notch7]

I would have thought these are important questions that people should appraise themselves with, if they want to engage in credible debate

Those interested in credible debate should be asking why the backlog of asylum claims is now 200,000 when it was only 20,000 back before 2010

and before anybody starts whining about numbers, the rate of dealing with claims is way way down.

 

[Odds]

Motties moaning about the amount of money wasted by the London Mayor but the government has already paid the Rwandan government £140m, but no asylum seeker has actually been sent to the country.

 

[Notch7]

It’s amusing the Rwanda has rejected Tories latest Rwanda idea

 

[Odds]

 

[carmanmemoranda]

I don’t see any evidence of that.

Starmer has sacked or demoted the Corbyn cultists whenever he has an opportunity.
there are some MPs which are also members of the Socialist Campaign Group but they are mostly keeping quiet.

Momentum still exist, but they certainly don’t run the show.

I agree.

I badly quoted MB. It was his comment, not mine

 

[Roy Bloom]

The UK is not declaring all asylum seekers arriving in the UK as illegal nor are they trying to fly them all out to Rwanda. Why do you think that?

False argument

The law deos not only apply to those arriving by boat.
It applies to all those that meet a rather loose criteria:

Who does it affect?

The government often claims that this law is about stopping boat crossings in the English Channel - but in fact it is broader. It applies to anyone who meets the following criteria:

• Lacks documents to enter the UK
• Arrived in the UK after 20 July 2023
• Did not come directly to the UK from a country where their life is in danger, according to the Home Office
• Does not have the right to stay in the UK.

Illegal Migration Act: What you need to know

The Act is an unprecedented and dangerous law that removes the right to seek asylum, weakens universal human rights protections, and goes against international law.

www.jcwi.org.uk

It can be applied to many different groups who may have been trafficked to UK:

The law applies to everyone in the above circumstances, including children - even those who arrive in the UK alone. Though there are some limits, such as not sending children to countries where they have no family or citizenship, the Home Secretary can still detain and expel children to potentially dangerous situations.

It also applies to people who have been victims of modern slavery or human trafficking. In fact, the law even reduces protections for these individuals, making their situation more difficult.

Illegal Migration Act: What you need to know

The Act is an unprecedented and dangerous law that removes the right to seek asylum, weakens universal human rights protections, and goes against international law.

www.jcwi.org.uk

It also removes the Human rights of those people:

Undermines universal human rights

Previously, everyone in the UK had the same basic human rights, regardless of their background or how they arrived in the country. This law removes important legal protections, making people less secure under human rights law.

Specifically, the Act excludes people subject to it from Section 3 of our Human Rights Act, which obliges our courts and local authorities to protect everyone’s human rights. This means that if a person or child’s rights are violated under this law, they would have less legal protection than other people. It’s the first time the UK has excluded a specific group of people from Section 3 HRA protections, and it sets an incredibly dangerous precedent, with life-threatening consequences.

Illegal Migration Act: What you need to know

The Act is an unprecedented and dangerous law that removes the right to seek asylum, weakens universal human rights protections, and goes against international law.

www.jcwi.org.uk

 

[Roy Bloom]

 

[motorbiking]

Those interested in credible debate should be asking why the backlog of asylum claims is now 200,000 when it was only 20,000 back before 2010

and before anybody starts whining about numbers, the rate of dealing with claims is way way down.

Has it occurred to you that the game has very much changed?

 

[Roy Bloom]

Has it occurred to you that the game has very much changed?

You mean the 'boat arrivals' has increased because the government spent a lot of money closing down other safer routes?
Although there were deaths on other routes.
But the overall numbers have changed little.
The difference is the 'boat arrivals' are detected immediately, whereas other routes did not facilitate detection.

 

[motorbiking]

The law deos not only apply to those arriving by boat.
It applies to all those that meet a rather loose criteria:

Illegal Migration Act: What you need to know

The Act is an unprecedented and dangerous law that removes the right to seek asylum, weakens universal human rights protections, and goes against international law.

www.jcwi.org.uk

It can be applied to many different groups who may have been trafficked to UK:

Illegal Migration Act: What you need to know

The Act is an unprecedented and dangerous law that removes the right to seek asylum, weakens universal human rights protections, and goes against international law.

www.jcwi.org.uk

It also removes the Human rights of those people:

Illegal Migration Act: What you need to know

The Act is an unprecedented and dangerous law that removes the right to seek asylum, weakens universal human rights protections, and goes against international law.

www.jcwi.org.uk

Why don't you read the act and then you can see how many times the above article has either misunderstood it or deliberately misrepresented it.

Illegal Migration Act 2023

www.legislation.gov.uk

 

[Roy Bloom]

Why don't you read the act and then you can see how many times the above article has either misunderstood it or deliberately misrepresented it.

Illegal Migration Act 2023

www.legislation.gov.uk

Why don't you present these supposed misunderstandings or misrepresentations?
Instead of expecting others to do your research for you?

 

[motorbiking]

You said recently they were illegal immigrants.


False argument

UK has a few, very few agreed schemes.

UK has no schemes to help those from Syria, Iran, Iraq, Eritrea and the Afghanistan scheme is not fit for purpose.

this argument of “they should come by legal routes“ is Tory propaganda.

No the argument is that they should go to the nearest safe country and that we should assist that country with aid. The whole point is to avoid the trafficking. You should also look at the act. Its phased. You may hate the Tories, but who has a credible alternative strategy?

More Safe and legal routes - will make the UK a target destination and still those who have no right to come here will come via illegal routes.

The solution is unfortunately is this:
- make the UK an unattractive destination
- Encourage people to seek safety in then nearest safe place
- assist those safe places with aid and resources.

The top priority has to be to make "business" very hard and very risky for the traffickers.

 

[motorbiking]

Why don't you present these supposed misunderstandings or misrepresentations?
Instead of expecting others to do your research for you?

You posted it - it's your source of "truth".

 

[Roy Bloom]

You posted it - it's your source of "truth".

But it's you that is disputing it. Therefore the obligation is on you to provide the sources and contradictions for your supposed disputed sections.
You claim it's misunderstanding and misrepresenting the law, so highlight those misunderstandings and misrepresentations, with the proof.

What do you expect me to do, guess which bits you might be referring to?

 

[Notch7]

Has it occurred to you that the game has very much changed?

Are you claiming it now takes longer to process each claim?

If so please provide the evidence