Death in the channel…again

[Notch7]

It's the civil servants job to have that information and find it out if they don't! They're supposed to be keeping the government informed, not the other way round for god sake!

the Tories have been in power 13 years

So it’s taken them 13 f****g years before they get around to asking this question


and you think that’s acceptable.

wellI suppose you are an uninformed Tory Brexit voter, we could expect more from you eh

 

[Notch7]

Absolutely.

Notch - you pillock.

Absolutely not you could not be more wrong if you tried.


Home office is a govt department…..knowing how many asylum seekers get deported and where they is the govts responsibility to know.

blaming civil servants for Tory govt failings is what Daily Mail readers do, because they lack,any ability to think for themselves (Gnat and Bianca being prime candidates)

 

[motorbiking]

Civil service is independent from the government. Their job is to have the information to hand or know how to get it. How could someone have the job of making sure someone else has the information they themselves need? That would make the other person's role a bit pointless.

It would be like you asking me your date of birth and it being your fault that I don't know because you didn't tell me.

 

[Notch7]

Civil service is independent from the government. Their job is to have the information to hand or know how to get it. How could someone have the job of making sure someone else has the information they themselves need? That would make the other person's role a bit pointless.

It would be like you asking me your date of birth and it being your fault that I don't know because you didn't tell me.

Absolute rubbish

Its what the Tories and their supporters do: blame everybody else for their failings.


the Tories have paid out £140 million on the Rwanda scheme but they haven’t actually bothered finding out how many asylum seekers whose claims have been refused have been deported.


The Tories have been in power 13 years and they’ve only just though to ask this question, how f****g useless are they.

 

[Odds]

Mbk is being economical with the truth - again...

The Civil Service (Management Functions) Act of 1992, allows the Minister for the Civil Service to delegate power to other ministers and devolved administrations. This role was created in 1968 and is always held by the Prime Minister. As in other states that employ the Westminster political system, His Majesty's Home Civil Service forms an inseparable part of the British government.

Tory ministers like to say "it's nothing to do with us", when things go t!ts up but always quick to get in front of a camera when something actually works out well.

 

[Notch7]

Civil service is independent from the government

WRONG



They must also maintain individual impartiality (which precludes, for example, senior civil servants engaging in party political activities even outside their work). However, the civil service is not independent. Its fundamental role is to serve actively the government of the day in policy development and delivery

The civil service: what is its role?

Recent years have seen significant tensions between ministers and civil servants, with allegations of bullying by ministers and leaking by civil servants, and a number of permanent secretaries forc…

constitution-unit.com

 

[gant]

As high ranking civil servants instead of stammering away and ruffling their hair and looking absolutely stupid, why didnt they pass the buck and say it's not our job like notchy would have done?

 

[carmanmemoranda]

Can only assume nobody had ever asked for the figures before or they would have been available.

Civil servants are there to provide, as requested

 

[motorbiking]

Mbk is being economical with the truth - again...

The Civil Service (Management Functions) Act of 1992, allows the Minister for the Civil Service to delegate power to other ministers and devolved administrations. This role was created in 1968 and is always held by the Prime Minister. As in other states that employ the Westminster political system, His Majesty's Home Civil Service forms an inseparable part of the British government.

Tory ministers like to say "it's nothing to do with us", when things go t!ts up but always quick to get in front of a camera when something actually works out well.

Do you think it was a stunt?

It looks like they were asked questions they felt they should have the answer to. If you are in a meeting and someone asks you a question that is not in your responsibility to answer, why would you not answer - We have not prepared data on that question or similar. The fact you look stumped and shuffle papers implies you were asked something you should have known.

 

[gant]

Always a good idea that knowing at some point you'll become before a select committee and you'll look stupid if can't give a valid answer and is political dynamite before an impending election.

 

[gant]

There's another video doing the rounds of a senior Tory whose worked on select committees for years asking these senior servants more or less the same questions, you'd think he'd know his brief and wouldn't have asked these questions if they weren't applicable.

 

[Odds]

Do you think it was a stunt?

It looks like they were asked questions they felt they should have the answer to. If you are in a meeting and someone asks you a question that is not in your responsibility to answer, why would you not answer - We have not prepared data on that question or similar. The fact you look stumped and shuffle papers implies you were asked something you should have known.

Dianne Abbot springs to mind - it's the ministers job to know their brief. As with the evidence given at the Covid inquiry, it appears most of 'em are either clueless or content to sound dumb.

 

[gant]

They reckon it takes two years for mps taking on a ministerial department to get to know their department, in the meantime it's the civil servants who can run the show to their choosing till they ' catch up'

 

[Roy Bloom]

Civil service is independent from the government. Their job is to have the information to hand or know how to get it. How could someone have the job of making sure someone else has the information they themselves need? That would make the other person's role a bit pointless.

It would be like you asking me your date of birth and it being your fault that I don't know because you didn't tell me.

I suspect it was more a case of the Civil Service supporting the government, and knowing the facts would be so damning of the government and show such crass incomptence, they thought it best to not disclose the figures in way least damaging to the government.
I suspect the government wouldn't be slow to instruct the civil service not to disclose certain data.
Look incompetent, and save your job, to protect your boss.

 

[gant]

I suspect it was more a case of the Civil Service supporting the government, and knowing the facts would be so damning of the government and show such crass incomptence, they thought it best to not disclose the figures in way least damaging to the government.
I suspect the government wouldn't be slow to instruct the civil service not to disclose certain data.
Look incompetent, and save your job, to protect your boss.

With an impending election in the offing, very smart.
In the meantime 17000 asylum seekers who no longer wanted to go through with the process are at large and nobody knows what they're up too except for not being deported.