Death in the channel…again

[gant]

Home Office officials left stumped when asked deportation figures in 'staggering' exchange with MP

Conservative MP Lee Anderson asked Home Office bosses about the number of failed asylum seekers that had been deported.

news.sky.com

 

[securespark]

When did you stop voting Tory?

Never have.

 

[Deleted member 294929]

Never have.

It wasn't an open question.

However Notch, claimed that before he claimed that he voted brexit that he was actually a tory voter..

So for all the bad the tories have done in the last 40 or so years , he has voted for it. Yet blames others for voting them in. Something doesn't add up.

 

[Notch7]

It wasn't an open question.

However Notch, claimed that before he claimed that he voted brexit that he was actually a tory voter..

So for all the bad the tories have done in the last 40 or so years , he has voted for it. Yet blames others for voting them in. Something doesn't add up.

I hear loads of people ringing in to LBC that say they will. Ever vote Tory again

the lies of brexit, the corruption of covid, the 13 years of economic failure have opened people’s eyes, including mine.

 

[Deleted member 294929]

I hear loads of people ringing in to LBC that say they will. Ever vote Tory again

the lies of brexit, the corruption of covid, the 13 years of economic failure have opened people’s eyes, including mine.

Yet you blame me for voting 50 years of tory austerity when you have done exactly the same.

I can't say I will never vote Conservative again but I doubt they will get my vote this time round.

 

[Deleted member 294929]

hear loads of people ringing in to LBC that say they will. Ever vote Tory again

Was this James O'brien?

 

[Roy Bloom]

We can only go on what is reported.

No organisation, government department or political party is going to be open about their shortcomings, mistakes, broken promises or secret policies.
So we need to be extremely circumspect about their 'Reports'.
Unless they suit your bias, then you'll accept them without question.

I'm certainly not jumping to the conclusion that those applying via legal routes can somehow have their application rubber stamped. I suspect there is just as much scrutiny, if not more.

Many will have been pre-processed, e.g family reunions, Afghan approved for airlifting, Ukrainians approved for issuing travel documents, etc.

 

[Roy Bloom]

However Notch, claimed that before he claimed that he voted brexit that he was actually a tory voter..
So for all the bad the tories have done in the last 40 or so years , he has voted for it. Yet blames others for voting them in. Something doesn't add up.

I hear loads of people ringing in to LBC that say they will. Ever vote Tory again
the lies of brexit, the corruption of covid, the 13 years of economic failure have opened people’s eyes, including mine.

Swingers, (politically speaking ).

 

[Roy Bloom]

Yet you blame me for voting 50 years of tory austerity when you have done exactly the same.

I can't say I will never vote Conservative again but I doubt they will get my vote this time round.

You've joined the swingers?

 

[motorbiking]

Notchy's vote wont count, neither will mine. Strong Tory seats.. time to move on with life.

No organisation, government department or political party is going to be open about their shortcomings, mistakes, broken promises or secret policies.
So we need to be extremely circumspect about their 'Reports'.
Unless they suit your bias, then you'll accept them without question.


Many will have been pre-processed, e.g family reunions, Afghan approved for airlifting, Ukrainians approved for issuing travel documents, etc.

Like accepting the word of a chief plod, who was caught on the hoof in an interview and made the incorrect statement that his officers had no power to act. Despite being told otherwise by many experts.

The fact is nobody here understands the inner workings of the Home Office and you cannot say that those coming via safe and legal routes of which there are many, do not undergo equal or greater scrutiny and consume significant resources. You also cannot say that the government has a policy of go slow, when you have no evidence and you cannot say the report is a puff peace, again without evidence. The game has very much changed.

What you can say is those who apply via safe and legal routes and then wait to be invited are being queue jumped by those who simply turn up illegally.

 

[Roy Bloom]

Like accepting the word of a chief plod, who was caught on the hoof in an interview and made the incorrect statement that his officers had no power to act. Despite being told otherwise by many experts.

As I recall, yolu were the expert offering your expert opinion on this forum.

The fact is nobody here understands the inner workings of the Home Office and you cannot say that those coming via safe and legal routes of which there are many, do not undergo equal or greater scrutiny and consume significant resources.

Logic dictates that the government do not provide travel assistance to the asylum seekers in the specific categories unless they have been subject to some pre-pocessing.
The special categories are created to lower the acceptance criteria, and those eligible don't need to prove risk of persecution, etc.

You also cannot say that the government has a policy of go slow, when you have no evidence and you cannot say the report is a puff peace, again without evidence. The game has very much changed.

The munbers alone indicate that the department is on a go slow.
Furthermore the government's attitude to asylum seekers reinforces that assumption.
The game has changed, but it's all to do with the case worker, the efficacy of case workers has decreased by 75%:

This indicates that the average number of decisions per caseworker per year has gone down (Figure 7). In the year ending March 2016, 260 caseworkers made an average of 101 initial decisions each. In the year ending March 2022, 614 caseworkers made an average of 24 initial decisions each – a quarter of the decisions made in 2015/16.
The increase in asylum applications in recent years thus explains only part of the backlog. Another part of the explanation is that fewer decisions have been made by asylum caseworkers despite a growing number of staff.

The UK’s asylum backlog - Migration Observatory

This briefing examines what we know about the asylum backlog, its causes, and its consequences.

migrationobservatory.ox.ac.uk

If we look at the efficacy of the 2015/16 case worker at 101 cases each, and apply that to the 2022 asylum seekers, and the current/promised number of case wrokers (2,500 )¹, the department should be able to cope with over 250,000 asylum cases. We can expect the 150,000 backlog to be reduced to zero over the next 6 months, before the next election?

What you can say is those who apply via safe and legal routes and then wait to be invited are being queue jumped by those who simply turn up illegally.

Turning up to claim asylum is not an illegal act. Because the UK designates it as an illegal act does not make it so.
Also the UN Charter makes no restrictions on mode of transport.
It's in direct opposition to the UN Charter.
Under the UN Refugee Charter there is always an opportuintiy to seek asylum in another country of your choice.
Furthermore there is no heirarchy for Asylum priority:

Convention provisions, for example, are to be applied without discrimination as to race, religion or country of origin

https://www.unhcr.org/about-unhcr/who-we-are/1951-refugee-convention

That's just another of your pathetic arguments againts boat arrival asylum seekers.




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Immigration minister says Home Office aims to have 2,500 asylum caseworkers in place by August 2023​

Immigration minister says Home Office aims to have 2,500 asylum caseworkers in place by August 2023

Large increase planned to tackle backlog, up from just 597 caseworkers in 2019-20

www.ein.org.uk

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Large increase planned to tackle backlog, up from just 597 caseworkers in 2019-20

Immigration minister says Home Office aims to have 2,500 asylum caseworkers in place by August 2023

Large increase planned to tackle backlog, up from just 597 caseworkers in 2019-20

www.ein.org.uk

Wth 600 case workers in 2019/20 ², the department should have processed more than 60,000 per year.
Which should have easily accomodated all the asylum applications each year:

https://researchbriefings.files.parliament.uk/documents/SN01403/SN01403.pdf

 

[motorbiking]

Logic dictates... more b@llox from you.

You post a graph, but did you read page 10? Let me help you:

The scale of the influx of refugees from Ukraine to the UK is unprecedented. In
2022, 210,000 visas were granted and 154,600 individuals arrived under
the two new visa schemes. This was the largest single group of refugees to
arrive in the UK in its history...

..Ukrainians arriving under these schemes are not included in the Home Office’s
asylum statistics, which are the main focus of this briefing...

 

[Roy Bloom]

did you read page 10?

Let me help you:

The scale of the influx of refugees from Ukraine to the UK is unprecedented. In
2022, 210,000 visas were granted and 154,600 individuals arrived under
the two new visa schemes. This was the largest single group of refugees to
arrive in the UK in its history...

..Ukrainians arriving under these schemes are not included in the Home Office’s
asylum statistics, which are the main focus of this briefing...

And you omitted an important and relevant paragraph:

Ukrainians arriving under these schemes are often referred to as refugees,they do not have the legal status of refugees in the way that people do if they are granted asylum in the UK or through a refugee resettlement scheme. They derive their right to live and work in the UK from the conditions of the visa schemes.

They are eligible under a visa scheme, they do not apply for asylum.

Furthermore the backlog started well before 2022.

At the end of 2021, the UK had the second-largest asylum backlog in Europe after Germany​

According to data compiled by the Asylum Information Database (AIDA), at the end of 2021, the only other European country with an asylum backlog larger than the UK’s, which stood at around 101,000, was Germany, with around 108,000 people awaiting an initial decision on their asylum claim (Figure 3). Spain’s backlog was around 72,000, and France’s was 50,000. These figures comprise both main applicants and family members.

France and Germany receive many more asylum applicants than the UK (see Figure 10 in our briefing, Asylum and refugee resettlement in the UK). In 2021, Germany received around 191,000 applicants (including family members), France 121,000, Spain 65,000, and the UK 56,000. In other words, the UK had an unusually large backlog compared to the number of asylum applications it received.

The UK’s asylum backlog - Migration Observatory

This briefing examines what we know about the asylum backlog, its causes, and its consequences.

migrationobservatory.ox.ac.uk

The backlog in 2021 stood at around 101,000.

So stop with your pathetic excuses of blaming the Ukranians. The Ukraine visa scheme did not begin until March 2022.

 

[motorbiking]

calm down Himmie, nobody is blaming the Ukrainians. You are arguing they are on a go slow, without evidence. I'm suggesting the game has changed because we are processing many more claims than ever before.

 

[Roy Bloom]

You are arguing they are on a go slow, without evidence.

The number of succesful applications, with the number of case workers, and the number of applications provides the evidence, unless you can come up with another excuse besides blaming the Ukrainians.

I'm suggesting the game has changed because we are processing many more claims than ever before.

But the evidence proves otherwise.
They may be 'processing' more claims than before because they are on a go-slow, and there are many more cases that take far too long. That's down to the efficacy of the case workers, or the intentional government policies.