I've read it a dozen times and it still makes no grammatical sense, sorry.
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You could always explain it...?
How are people still failing to get this?
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But for the rest of the world, they are not a race.
Judaism can be thought of as being simultaneously a religion, a nationality and a culture.
Throughout the middle ages and into the 20th century, most of the European world agreed that Jews constituted a distinct nation. This concept of nation does not require that a nation have either a territory nor a government, but rather, it identifies, as a nation any distinct group of people with a common language and culture. Only in the 19th century did it become common to assume that each nation should have its own distinct government; this is the political philosophy of nationalism. In fact, Jews had a remarkable degree of self-government until the 19th century. So long as Jews lived in their ghettos, they were allowed to collect their own taxes, run their own courts, and otherwise behave as citizens of a landless and distinctly second-class Jewish nation.
Of course, Judaism is a religion, and it is this religion that forms the central element of the Jewish culture that binds Jews together as a nation. It is the religion that defines foods as being kosher and non-kosher, and this underlies Jewish cuisine. It is the religion that sets the calendar of Jewish feast and fast days, and it is the religion that has preserved the Hebrew language.
Is Judaism an ethnicity? In short, not any more. Although Judaism arose out of a single ethnicity in the Middle East, there have always been conversions into and out of the religion. Thus, there are those who may have been ethnically part of the original group who are no longer part of Judaism, and those of other ethnic groups who have converted into Judaism.
If you are referring to a nation in the sense of race, Judaism is not a nation. People are free to convert into Judaism; once converted, they are considered the same as if they were born Jewish. This is not true for a race.
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Throughout the middle ages and into the 20th century, most of the European world agreed that Jews constituted a distinct nation. This concept of nation does not require that a nation have either a territory nor a government, but rather, it identifies, as a nation any distinct group of people with a common language and culture. Only in the 19th century did it become common to assume that each nation should have its own distinct government; this is the political philosophy of nationalism. In fact, Jews had a remarkable degree of self-government until the 19th century. So long as Jews lived in their ghettos, they were allowed to collect their own taxes, run their own courts, and otherwise behave as citizens of a landless and distinctly second-class Jewish nation.
Of course, Judaism is a religion, and it is this religion that forms the central element of the Jewish culture that binds Jews together as a nation. It is the religion that defines foods as being kosher and non-kosher, and this underlies Jewish cuisine. It is the religion that sets the calendar of Jewish feast and fast days, and it is the religion that has preserved the Hebrew language.
Is Judaism an ethnicity? In short, not any more. Although Judaism arose out of a single ethnicity in the Middle East, there have always been conversions into and out of the religion. Thus, there are those who may have been ethnically part of the original group who are no longer part of Judaism, and those of other ethnic groups who have converted into Judaism.
If you are referring to a nation in the sense of race, Judaism is not a nation. People are free to convert into Judaism; once converted, they are considered the same as if they were born Jewish. This is not true for a race.
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So, Racists do consider it a race. But since you don't it isn't real? That's not how it works.
Your word salad, about which I responded, is what I couldn't make sense of.
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It's not really whether we think Jew or Sikhs for example are a race - the classification is as a matter of law. Before we had the equalities act, we had the Race Relations Act. The matter was settled under Mandla v. Dowell Lee [1983], 2A.C.548. Sikh and Jew are Racial groups.
How can Sikhs be considered a race, distinct from other Indians?
Poppycock.
Diane Abbotts Observer comments were about creating an hierarchy of race.
She meant it, I guess from a perspective that black people receieve worse racism than other groups.
The problem is “hierarchy of race” also means supremacy - eg the Nazis.
She meant it, I guess from a perspective that black people receieve worse racism than other groups.
The problem is “hierarchy of race” also means supremacy - eg the Nazis.
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I really can't see how it matters!
So anyone not a race are fair game?
Or do we all have the same protection from law & Government?
Maybe we just need a new word to cover all af the human race regardless.
So anyone not a race are fair game?
Or do we all have the same protection from law & Government?
Maybe we just need a new word to cover all af the human race regardless.
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did you read it?
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Everyone has protection.
There is no hierarchy of racism. Racism from a white to a black is no more abhorrent than the reverse. Abbot, may well be confusing the fact that she appears to be fairly stupid and gets ridiculed for this, as being life long racism. Saying stupid things is not a protected characteristic. However, She clearly represents a liability for labour and Starmer was blimin quick to find a reason to ditch her off. What better reason, than her being a racist.
In his defence, the Labour Party is still trying to shake off its anti-semitic core and any argument of a hierarchy of racism, plays well in to the hands of those pointing the finger that Labour is still anti-semitic.
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